If you think daylight saving should last all year . . .


If you think daylight saving time should last all year with clocks staying forward permanently, check the times and temperature for sunrise and sunset this week.

Yesterday was the shortest day. I took this photo at 7:30am.

The sun didn’t rise until after 8am. It would have been later still further west and south.

If the clocks stayed forward all year it would be dark until nearly 9am.

Anyone working outside would have visibility and safety issues and children would be walking to school in the dark.

Yesterday it was reasonably mild during the day – about 12 degrees at lunchtime.

It had dropped to about 3 degrees by the time the sun was setting at about 5pm so neither the light nor the temperature would be conducive to outdoor activity if the clocks stayed forwards and it was light until 6pm.

I have a lot of sympathy for people whose body clocks are discombobulated by losing an hour in spring and regaining it in autumn.

But the solution isn’t to keep the clocks forward and plunge us into darker dawns all year, it’s to keep them back permanently.

Why daylight saving so early?


Evidence for the affirmative in the argument that daylight saving starts too early:

Read more at WeatherWatch

Ready for daylight saving?


It’s that time of year when I have to steel myself for the loss of an hour’s sleep.

It doesn’t help that the loss of the hour comes several weeks too early meaning less light in the morning when I prefer it while it’s still neither  light nor warm enough for late enough on the evening to compensate.

I was preparing to mutter,mumble grump and grumble about it when I cam across some tips and thoughts on daylight saving which made me smile instead:

1. get some sleep – we lose an hour and it is a jolly long time until we get that hour back!
2. make the most of early morning walks – for a time you lose the early light – it just disappears overnight!
3. forget the idea that you are really saving daylight – it is a myth.  I have been researching this and it is a fact that there is not an extra hour of daylight at all – they just adjust the clocks to make it seem as if you have extra daylight!  Honest!  Well, I think I am being honest… maybe I am wrong…
4. for if you were saving it, where would you store it? . . .

You’ll find the other six tips here.

Daylight saving lasts too long again


The equinox took place a couple of days ago, the sun is now further north than south.

That is obvious to anyone who has to get up early in the morning when it is still dark – and darker than it would be had daylight saving not been unnecessarily extended until the first Sunday in April.

In the best of summers it’s getting too cold to enjoy more light in the evenings by now.

This hasn’t been the best of summers for most of the ocuntry and it’s a cool, wet autumn for many of us.

I second Lucia Maria who says bring on the end of daylight saving please.

Are we sure it’s not too early for daylight saving?


The clocks went forward a couple of weeks ago but someone forgot to tell the weather it’s supposed to be warmer.

Metservice’s forcast for today is a national high of 15 degrees in Auckland and a low of 3 degrees in Manapouri.

They also have a special weather advisory:

Strong cold southwesterlies are expected to spread north across Southland, Otago and Canterbury early Saturday morning.  This should bring a brief burst of cold rain, and snow to relatively low levels for this time of the year.  Although conditions are not expected to be as bad as previously forecast, snow may briefly lower to 400 metres in Southland and eastern Otago, especially about the Catlins.  In Canterbury, the snow level may dip to about 500 metres soon after dawn on Saturday. In most places, less than 1 to 2cm of snow is likely to accumulate. Farmers should note that although snow amounts are not large, the combination of low temperatures, snow or rain and strong winds could stress stock. Also, travellers in these areas should be prepared for snow briefly affecting higher roads.

We were at a barbeque last night. Four layers of merino, gloves and a ski jacket weren’t enough to keep me warm.

Daylight Savings Blues again


We were late home from Dunedin last night and to add insult to injury we lost an hour of much needed sleep when the clocks went forward.

Once more I’ve got the:

Daylight Savings Blues

Spring is here the grass has grown

It’s time to have my annual moan.

Why do the clocks move on so soon

And force us to rise by light of moon?

Spring equinox gives 12 hours of light

So we have to rise while it’s still night.

And what use is the extra evening sun

If it’s not there once dinner’s done?

The clocks moved on an hour last night

But the weather forecast’s not looking bright.

They say we’ll get rain, hail, sleet and snow

Blue sky and sun alas won’t show.

What’s the point of clocks gone for’ard

When every day the weather’s horrid?

Couldn’t they wait til winter’s past

And we no longer face its icy blast?

In summer’s heat I agree it’s fine

To change the clocks and gain play time.

But early spring’s still cold and dark

For those at work before the lark.

Delay the change by three weeks or four

Til there’s 14 daylight hours or more.

We could then rise after the sun

And have more light for night time fun.

Take heed of all the morning workers

And not those lazy evening shirkers.

Daylight saving makes sense in summer

But in spring it just makes us glummer.

Better time for daylight saving


It’s a month since the clocks went forward for daylight saving but we’re only just getting any benefit from it.

We’re still getting frosts and it’s definitely not summer yet, but most days are more like spring than winter.

The sun’s rising before 6am and it’s still light until after 8pm which gives us more than 14 hours of daylight.

This weekend would be a much better time to start daylight saving than late September when the sun wasn’t rising until around 7am and setting just 12 hours later.

Delay daylight saving


My campaign to delay the start of daylight saving has a Facebook Group.

On it I say:

Extending daylight saving so it starts in September and ends in April was a mistake.

We’ve just had the spring solstice which means there’s only 12 hours between sunrise and sunset. Putting the clocks forward to move sunset from 6ish to 7ish in the evening means sunrise moves from 6ish to 7ish in the morning.

It’s too late to do anything this year – but if there was enough support it could be changed from next year.

If the change to daylight saving was delayed until mid to late October there’d be 14 hours between sunrise and sunset. We’d get more light at both ends of the day and it should be warm enough to be outside.

The Royal Astronomical Society has sunrise and sunset times for Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin.

LINZ has sunrise and sunset times for  Auckland, Bluff, Dunedin, East Cape, Gisborne & Lyttelton.

The last word on daylight saving


Think back over the last six weeks since the clocks went forward. I don’t know how it’s been where you’ve been but I’ve been at home in North Otago, in Dunedin, Wanaka, Auckland and Wellington and haven’t had an evening when it’s been warm enough to enjoy the extra light.

It’s 25 35 years today since daylight saving was first introduced and how much more sensible it was to do so in November when the days are longer and – I say with more hope than certainty – warmer.

The sun may not have got the message but the calendar says it’s nearly summer so this is my last word (for now) on daylight saving:

(Thanks to Swinestein).

Daylight Savings Blues


I’ll get over it when the weather warms, but I’ve just spent a couple of days in Auckland and it was wintery up there too. 

Until it warms up, I’ve got the Daylight Savings Blues:


 Spring is here the grass has grown

It’s time to have my annual moan.

Why do the clocks move on so soon

And force us to rise by light of moon?


Spring equinox gives 12 hours of light

So we have to get up while it’s still night.

And what use is the extra evening sun

If it’s not there once dinner’s done?



The clocks moved on an hour last week

Since then the weather’s been so bleak.

We’ve had rain and hail and sleet and snow

Blue sky and sun have failed to show.


What’s the point of clocks gone for’ard

When every day the weather’s horrid?

Couldn’t they wait til winter’s past

And we no longer face its icy blast?


In summer’s heat I agree it’s fine

To change the clocks to gain play time.

But early spring’s still cold and dark

For those at work it’s not a lark.


Delay the change by three weeks or four

Til there’s 14 daylight hours or more.

We could then rise after the sun

And have more light for night time fun.


Take heed of all the morning workers

And not those lazy evening shirkers.

Daylight saving makes sense in summer

But in spring it just makes us glummer.


P.S. I might not like the early start to daylight saving, but I’m not as bad as the Aussie bloke who wrote this letter (thanks to PaulL who emailed about it).

Daylight saving poll take 2


We’ve had a week of daylight saving.

In the last seven days I’ve been to Dunedin, Wellington and Wanaka and at home in North Otago.

The highest temperature in that time and those places has been17 degrees, the lowest 1 degree.

We’re in Wanaka where we woke to large white flakes falling from the sky. Mount Iron is covered in white stuff too.

In the normal course of events I’d have thought it was snow, but it can’t be that because n0-one would have been stupid enough to extend daylight saving so the clocks go forward when it’s still cold enough for snow.

In the past week I’ve had lots of conversations on the extended daylight saving period. One woman liked it because she feels she has to get up with the sun and if it gets up an hour later so does she. One man liked it because his children get up with the sun and this week they’ve been getting up an hour later.

Everyone else said it starts too soon and finishes too late. Delaying the start by three or four weeks would mean it’s lighter at both ends of the day, not so cold in the mornings and warm enough to enjoy the lighter evenings.


What do you think?

P.S. This is the poll I deleted by mistake last week. I thought I’d followed Scrubone’s instructions, but it still didn’t appear in the sidebar so I’ll leave it here and do my best not to delete it.

Daylight Saving poll


Whoops – I tried to get the daylight saving poll in the sidebar and deleted it altogether.

There were 101 votes and the results were:

Starts too soon ends too late: 54%

Should last all year: 13%

Shouldn’t happen at all: 16%

Is a conspiracy against early risers: 5%

Other 12%

If anyone can tell me how to get polls into the sidebar, an electronic box of chocolates awaits you.

Deleting the poll deleted comments too – I think there were seven, all of which, I think supported my opposition to daylight saving starting this soon.

Daylight saving causes domestic violence?


If everyone moved down here where we have long summer twilights we wouldn’t need daylight saving, or at least would have more chance of winning the campaign to start it later and end it shorter.

But southerners and farmers are not very powerful minorities so I haven’t rated our chances of persuading the powers that be to consider us.

However, Lindsay Mitchell has spotted a link between daylight saving and domestic violence.

Is she right and if so could that be the excuse we need to move the clocks forward later and back again sooner?

Does daylight saving make driving more dangerous?


Six cows were killed when a car towing a trailer hit them while they were being herded across a country road yesterday morning.

The report doesn’t mention the speed the driver was travelling . It does say the first cow to be hit was thrown several metres into the air which suggests he was going quickly but that will be up to the police to decide.

We’re supposed to drive at a speed which enables us to stop in half the visible distance ahead but it is very difficult to see in the half light before dawn and even if you’re driving carefully you don’t know what you’re not seeing until you see it.

There is no mention of the weather in the report but the sun isn’t rising until after 7am  because of daylight saving so even if the sky was clear visibility wouldn’t have been good when the accident happened and it will get worse.

The week before clocks go back to NZ standard time on April 5, the sun won’t be rising until 7.34 in Auckland, a few minutes later than in the middle of winter. It will be nearly 8am when the sun rises in Dunedin before we return to NZST.

That makes early morning work more difficult for farmers and this incident suggests it might also make driving more dangerous.

Permanent DST would leave us in dark


Oh bliss!

Daylight Saving Time ended yesterday and how lovely it was to have daylight just after 6:30.

Not everyone is happy with the change and someone has started a petition to make DST permanent.

If people petitioning against changing clocks were doing so to stop them going forward in spring I’d sign.

If someone petitioned to start daylight saving later and finish it earlier I’d support them.

But keep DST all year? Absolutely not.

Proponents of permanent DST appear not to understand how little daylight there is in the middle of winter and the impact the sun rising would have.

Weather watch explains what happens at the winter solstice:

In the Deep South (Southland) the total amount of available sunlight at the moment (that means, if it’s not a cloudy day and you have a clear sunrise and sunset) is around 8 and a half hours each day. While in northern New Zealand it’s slightly longer at 9 and three quarter hours. Around 9 hours in the middle etc.

In practice that means sunrise and sunset times in the middle of winter are 7:33am and 5:11pm in Auckland; 7:47am and 4:58pm in Wellington; 8:03am and 4:59 in Christchurch and 8:20am and 4:59pm in Dunedin.

If clocks stayed forward the sun wouldn’t rise until 8:33 in Auckland, 8:47 in Wellington, 9:03 in Christchurch and 9:20 in Dunedin. Further north the sun would rise a little earlier and set a little later, further south and it would rise even later and set earlier.

Children would be going to school in the dark. Farmers, tradies and all other outside workers wouldn’t have enough light to work until an hour later than now; and roads would be icier later in the day.

For what gain?

What use would people in Auckland make of daylight to 6:11 instead of an hour earlier when it’s cold and, often wet?  What would people in Dunedin do if the sun was up until 5:59?

Some proponents of permanent DST suggest adopting different time zones. Large countries do that with times changing as you move from east to west.

But how practical would it be to have different time zones from north to south?

It would complicate life for anyone operating nationwide and for people with family and friends in different areas.

It simply wouldn’t be worth the bother for a little more light for a little longer on cold evenings.

One argument for permanent DST is the disruption to body clocks when the time changes. It is said to negatively affect circadian alignment, sleep health, viral immunity, and longevity

It always feels a bit like jet lag without having had a holiday.

If that is a strong enough argument for not altering clocks, keep them where they are in spring. Don’t inflict on us the many problems of darker mornings for so little gain of light on cold winter evenings.

Don’t doom us to darker days


 Take Back The Clocks wants daylight saving to be abolished:

. . .Louis Houlbrooke, chief executive and founder of Take Back The Clocks, said the twice yearly changes disrupted people’s sleep, were unnatural, and made international business much more complicated.

“They cause disruption and inconvenience to people’s lives in a trivial sense but also in more serious ways with tired drivers and the impact on dairy cows.” . . 

Most people who favour shifting clocks forward want more light for recreation in the evening. They don’t take into account that that means less light in the morning for people who work, making it harder to do early morning tasks like milking and mustering.

He suggested moving New Zealand to permanent “summer hours” – the change in late September that leads to sunnier evenings and darker mornings.

If there is any change to daylight saving it should be shorter not longer.

When it started clocks went forward in late October and back in early March. Someone decided if some daylight saving was good, more would be better without taking into account we don’t get the same amount of daylight all year.

We were waking up to light at 6am last week, this week it’s nearly 7am and before the clocks go back in autumn the sun doesn’t rise here until about 7:50. It’s even worse further south.

Waiting a few weeks in spring before clocks went forward and putting them back in early to mid March would make a big difference to the amount of light in the morning.

If daylight saving was permanent, mid-winter sunrise wouldn’t be until 9:30am in Invercargill.

Children would be walking and biking to school in the dark, roads would be icier until later and there would be no benefit from a bit more light in the evening when it’s so cold.

Daylight saving is too long now, please don’t doom us to year-long darker dawns.

Tell me again. . .


. . . why daylight saving starts so soon?

Saturday soapbox


Saturday’s soapbox is yours to use as you will – within the bounds of decency and absence of defamation. You’re welcome to look back or forward, discuss issues of the moment, to pontificate, ponder or point us to something of interest, to educate, elucidate or entertain, amuse, bemuse or simply muse, but not abuse.

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My favourite holiday is Daylight Savings Time when we get an extra hour of sleep.

Another week of dark mornings


The sun was just starting to rise at 6:50ish a couple of weeks ago.

Last week it was only just getting light at 7:15ish.

We’ve got another week until the clocks go back.

Sigh mutter, mumble.

Daylight saving starts to early and finishes too late.

March 19 in history


1279  A Mongolian victory in the Battle of Yamen ended the Song Dynastyin China.

1687 Explorer Robert Cavelier de La Salle, searching for the mouth of the Mississippi River, was murdered by his own men.

1813 David Livingstone, Scottish missionary and explorer, was born (d. 1873).

1821 Richard Francis Burton, British explorer, diplomat and author, was born (d. 1890) .

1839 Bees were introduced to New Zealand.

Honey bees brought to NZ

1848 Wyatt Earp, American policeman and gunfighter, was born (d. 1929).

1853 The Taiping reform movement occupied and made Nanjing its capital.

1861 The First Taranaki War ended.

1863  The SS Georgiana, said to have been the most powerful Confederate cruiser, was destroyed on her maiden voyage with a cargo of munitions, medicines and merchandise then valued at over $1,000,000.

1865  The Battle of Bentonville started.

1866 A hurricane caused major damages in Buenos Aires.

1906 Adolf Eichmann, Nazi official, was born (d 1962).

1915 Pluto  was photographed for the first time but is not recognised as a planet.

1916 Irving Wallace, American novelist, was born (d. 1990).

1916 Eight American planes took off in pursuit of Pancho Villa, the first United States air-combat mission in history.

1918 The U.S. Congress established time zones and approved daylight saving time.

1921 One of the biggest engagements of theIrish War of Independence took place at Crossbarry, County Cork. About 100 Irish Republican Army (IRA) volunteers escaped an attempt by more than 1,300 British forces to encircle them.

1921 Tommy Cooper, Welsh comedy magician, was born (d. 1984).

1931  Gambling was legalized in Nevada.

1932 The Sydney Harbour Bridge was opened.

1933 Philip Roth, American author, was born.

1933 – Renée Taylor, American actress, was born.

1936 Ursula Andress, Swiss actress, was born.

1941 The 99th Pursuit Squadron also known as the Tuskegee Airmen, the first all-black unit of the Army Air Corp, was activated.

1944 Said Musa, Prime Minister of Belize, was born.

1944 World War II: Nazi forces occupied Hungary.

1945 A dive bomber hit the aircraft carrier USS Franklin (CV-13), killing 724 of her crew.

1945 – World War II: Adolf Hitler issued his “Nero Decree” ordering all industries, military installations, shops, transportation facilities and communications facilities in Germany to be destroyed.

1946 Jayforce landed in Japan.

Jayforce lands in Japan
1946 French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Martinique and Réunion become overseas départements of France.

1946  Ruth Pointer, American singer (Pointer Sisters), was born.

1947 Glenn Close, American actress, was born.

1952  Warren Lees, New Zealand Test wicket-keeper, was born.

1953 Ricky Wilson, American musician (The B-52′s), was born (d. 1985).

1954 Willie Mosconi set the world record by running 526 consecutive balls without a miss during a straight pool exhibition at East High Billiard Club in Springfield, Ohio.

1955 Bruce Willis, American actor, was born.

1958 The Monarch Underwear Company fire left 24 dead and 15 injured.

1962 – Algerian War of Independence ceasefire took effect.

1965 The wreck of the SS Georgiana, valued at over $50,000,000 was discovered by then teenage diver and pioneer underwater archaeologist E. Lee Spence exactly 102 years after its destruction.

1969 The 385 metres (1,263 ft) tall TV-mast at Emley Moor, collapsed due to ice build- up.

1972 India and Bangladesh signed a friendship treaty.

1982 Falklands War: Argentinian forces landed on South Georgia Island, precipitating war with the United Kingdom.

1989 The Egyptian Flag was raised on Taba, Egypt announcing the end of the Israeli occupation after the Yom Kippur War in 1973 and the Peace negotiations in 1979.

1990 The ethnic clashes of Târgu Mureş began.

2002 Operation Anaconda ended (started on March 2) after killing 500 Taliban and al Qaeda fighters with 11 allied troop fatalities.

2002 – Zimbabwe was suspended from the Commonwealth on charges of human rights abuses and of election tampering, following a turbulent presidential election.

2004 Konginkangas bus disaster: A semi-trailer truck and a bus crash head-on in Äänekoski, Finland. 24 people were killed and 13 injured.

2004 A Swedish DC-3 shot down by a Russian MiG-15 in 1952 over the Baltic Sea was recovered after years of work.

2004 Taiwanese president Chen Shui-bian and Vice President Annette Lu were shot just before the country’s presidential election on March 20.

2008  GRB 080319B: A cosmic burst that was the farthest object visible to the naked eye was briefly observed.

2011 – Libyan civil war: After the failure of Muammar Gaddafi’s forces to take Benghazi, French Air Force launched Opération Harmattan, beginning foreign military intervention in Libya.

2013 – A series of bombings and shootings killed at least 98 people and injures 240 others across Iraq.

2016 – An explosion  in Taksim Square in Istanbul,  killed five people and injured 36.

Sourced from NZ History Online & Wikipedia

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