Saturday soapbox

Saturday’s soapbox is yours to use as you will – within the bounds of decency and absence of defamation. You’re welcome to look back or forward, discuss issues of the moment, to pontificate, ponder or point us to something of interest, to educate, elucidate or entertain, amuse, bemuse or simply muse but not to abuse.

People who wonder whether the glass is half empty of half full are missing the point. The glass is refillable.

7 Responses to Saturday soapbox

  1. Andrei says:

    People who wonder whether the glass is half empty of half full are missing the point. The glass is refillable.

    Not if it is broken

    I haven’t seen any of my my kids in three years and might not live long enough to ever be with them ever again

    Everywhere I go people have their faces covered and this makes communication difficult for someone who is a trifle hard of hearing

    And this country once noted for its easy going relaxed lifestyle has slid into a medical tyranny where people are being bullied into being injected with an experimental toxin that doesn’t actually work

    The glass is definitely broken

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  2. homepaddock says:

    Andrei, there are so many like you wondering if they’ll ever see family and friends agin which is so very sad.

    Am I right to infer what you call the toxin is the vaccine? How can you say it doesn’t work when so very few people who have been double vaccinated for at least two weeks have had to be hospitalised in Auckland and none are in ICU?

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  3. Andrei says:

    How can you say it doesn’t work when so very few people who have been double vaccinated for at least two weeks have had to be hospitalised in Auckland

    If it worked there wouldn’t be any who would “have had to be hospitalised”

    It is a moving target Ele – the percentage of people who meet the criteria “double vaccinated for at least two weeks” is small but growing. As the percentage grows then the numbers who have to be hospitalized will as well.

    This is what is happening in Israel and the UK.

    We are witnessing a classic example of Big Government Hubris and magical thinking which is a very dangerous combination and always ends in tears

    Different diseases need different approaches in their management – smallpox was amenable to the smallpox vaccine but cholera is best managed by providing clean water and efficient sewerage systems, while malaria can be dealt with by draining stagnant ponds and using insecticides and so forth

    There are literally thousands of respiratory viruses carried by all breathing creatures and they mutate very fast – vaccines will never eliminate them and will at best only provide temporary protection against highly specific ones which will then rapidly mutate to get around what limited protection has been conferred by the vaccine – this has been well documented for years

    The problem is the voices of reason and sanity have been drowned out by mass hysteria and we have ended up listening to the advice mad women with dyed pink hair drumming up the hysteria.

    And now this country is going down the toilet

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  4. Paranormal says:

    Ele, if the vaccine worked,
    – why do the vaccinated need protecting from the unvaccinated?
    – why are booster shots required so soon after being double vaccinated? (See Israel)
    – why can the vaccinated spread the virus?
    – why are the vaccinated getting ill and needing hospitalisation? (See Israel and UK)
    – why are more people in New Zealand being killed and injured by the vaccine than the virus? https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-31.asp

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  5. homepaddock says:

    Paranormal- no vaccine is 100% effective but fully vaccinated people are less likely to get Covid-19, less likely to spread it & less likely to become seriously ill if they get it.

    – booster shots are required because the efficacy declines.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/the-vaccinated-arent-just-as-likely-to-spread-covid/620161/ : ‘Among the unvaccinated, the virus travels unhindered on a highway with multiple off-ramps and refueling stations. In the vaccinated, it gets lost in a maze of dead-end streets and cul-de-sacs. Every so often, it pieces together an escape route, but in most scenarios, it finds itself cut off, and its journey ends. It can go no further.’

    – Kiwiblog has the stats on serious side effects from the vaccine compared with those form the virus: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/10/yes_virginia_the_vaccine_is_far_safer_than_the_disease.html

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  6. Paranormal says:

    Sorry Ele, kiwiblogs stats are bunkum. That’s the kindest way it can be said.

    Medsafe say on their site that only 5% of adverse effects are reported on their site. There is also an OIA response that shows NZ health authorities are specifically NOT investigating vaccine adverse effects. That in itself is a disgrace.

    Further you have to compare apples with apples. None of the covid virus stats allow for natural causes. They count anyone who dies with the virus as a virus death. Accordingly you need to treat the deaths following vaccine exactly the same. The underlying issue however is the deaths are not being investigated – per the OIA response.

    Also you are repeating the ‘less likely to’ mantra that is just propaganda. There is no actual proof of that. In fact the proof of Israel and UK is that spread and death rates don’t change following vaccination. What does affect it is natural immunity following exposure to the virus – see Sweden.

    Here’s Sweden’s figures:
    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-cases-deaths?country=~SWE

    And Israel by comparison:
    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-cases-deaths?country=~ISR

    Note by Sept 28 Israel had administered 15 million vaccine doses. It didn’t stop or slow the October increase in cases.

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  7. Andrei says:

    no vaccine is 100% effective but fully vaccinated people are less likely to get Covid-19, less likely to spread it & less likely to become seriously ill if they get it.

    Talking points Ele but far from accurate

    The smallpox vaccine is so effective it is the one human malady that has been completely eliminated – as an aside the word “vaccine” itself is derived from the Latin for cow “Vacca” since the smallpox vaccine is in fact the very similar Cowpox as disease of cattle that can infect humans producing a mild disease which after recovery that confers lifelong immunity to smallpox.

    In fact within my extended family there have been two cases of Covid among the “fully vaccinated”, my No 2 daughter and my nephew – all my kids have had it now, that is four and in them it was a trivial disease – the hardest hit was my fully vaccinated nephew in fact where it manifested itself as a nasty “flu”

    In normal circumstance it takes between five and ten years to get a new drug or vaccine authorized for general therapeutic use

    There are a whole series of clinical trials that have to be performed before this can occur which is why it takes so long

    And you know something else, the vast majority of these trials are ended before they are completed because they show up major unforeseen problems

    There are very good reasons for doing this!

    In this case the vaccine has been developed and mass deployed in less than a year with every single safeguard bypassed

    It took an Act of Parliament passed without debate to permit this vaccine to be used in this country without the normal testing protocols being followed and authorizations that would normally normally required.

    This is akin to airliner pilot who turns off every warning and failsafe on his plane before take off – and you wouldn’t want to fly with a pilot at the helm who did this,

    I can’t buy a packet of panadol in my local supermarket without the supervisor authorizing my purchase, I can’t buy a bottle of cough mixture anymore, “to keep me safe” but the same people who have forced that nonsense on us want to inject me with an experimental vaccine? WTF!

    We are on a runaway train headed for a bridge that has been washed away

    In the shuffling madness
    Of the locomotive breath
    Runs the all-time loser
    Headlong to his death
    Oh, he feels the piston scraping
    Steam breaking on his brow
    Old Charlie stole the handle
    And the train it won’t stop
    Oh no way to slow down

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