All govt depts, ministries to be dispersed to provinces

All government departments and ministries are to be dispersed to the provinces in a whole-of-government decentralisation programme.

“We got the message from Northland that people think the government doesn’t care about the provinces and by extension that means people think government departments and ministries don’t care,” State Services spokesperson Ms Verity Factotum said.

“That isn’t true but that’s the perception and perception is reality and therefore we are duty bound to disprove that perception, prove it wrong and re-programme provincial thinking so everyone there understands that we do in fact care,” she said.

“We can’t expect the mountains to come to Mohammad so all the various departmental and ministerial Mohammads are going to the mountains, all of which are of course in the provinces.”

Ms Factotum said the departments and ministries wouldn’t literally be shifting to the mountains as most of them were too high and too far from anywhere serving a decent latte.

“We can’t expect our staff to work at high altitude or make coffee sacrifices but they will all be moving to provincial towns.

“We’ve been working with Google Maps, AA guides and  iSite offices on the ground in the provinces to ensure we get the best fit between the offices and their location.

“We’ve discovered that Oamaru has an historic precinct, Steam Punk headquarters, the Forrester Gallery and an Opera House  which would provide good synergies for the Ministry of Arts, Culture and Heritage.

“Hokitika is the obvious place for the Department of Conservation because most of the West Coast is basically just bush and places we don’t want to mine and we think Customs could shift to Bluff because it’s got a port.

“Relocating the Ministry of Primary Industries is proving to be somewhat more problematic because we’ve found that every provincial town has some sort of claim to servicing its agricultural hinterland and we may have to set up a separate MPI in all of them.”

Ms Factotum said they were having a similar problem siting the Ministries of Education and health because every town had a school and medical centre or hospital but they’d settled on Dunedin for them because it had a university and a medical school too.

“There’s also a School of Physical Education there which will could make a helpful and healthful contribution to government plans to reduce obesity.

“Relocating the Ministry of Tourism is also raising difficulties as every single iSite has many and varied claims to tourist attractions and again we might divide it into mini Ministries with offices anywhere there’s something to do or see.

“The Ministry of Internal Affairs could move to Eketahuna or Taumarunui as both were inland which is the geographical equivalent of internal and Treasury will go to Gisborne because it’s the first place to see the sun and we think the staff will benefit from the vitamin D.

Ms Factotum said there were still decisions to be made on other departments and ministries and some issues to be worked through. But the government had impressed upon the SSC that the relocation was a matter of urgency and all transfers were expected to be signed off by midday today.

 

 

54 Responses to All govt depts, ministries to be dispersed to provinces

  1. Deborah says:

    Well played, Ele.

  2. Andrei says:

    And in related news the Government has passed a law that allows two men to marry one another

    Alas that one is not from April Fools Day, it is just the action of fools, imbeciles more accurately, who have forgotten how families are formed and babies are made

  3. RBG says:

    LOL Homepaddock. Sad though that saying the government wants to conserve rather mine the West coast bush has to be a joke.

  4. Gravedodger. says:

    Nice one Stewy nice.

    Many a true word spoken in Jest.

    Maybe housing in Eke might be a restraint but the relief camps in the 1930s were tent towns and it would be interesting to see the dedicated persons shuffling paper in say the ministry of women’s affairs along with Internal affairs sleeping in tents in Eke in June.
    Keeping warm could come from closer relations, eh.

    The wording, particularly in Para three of the entertaining post says much, really it does.

    All humour to one side there is very little reason why say Napier/ Hastings, Hamilton and Tauranga/Mt Maunganui along with many other provincial centers could not become home to most govt departments.
    While we are thinking such matters of moment why is Fonterra Palace in the Auckland CBD when Hamilton is where it would find much of its relevance, have they not found Cell phones yet.

    Now my discombobulated mind has recalled how the Peoples Warden of the Amuri parish on welcoming the Bishop of Nelson who was the boss of that North Canterbury mob, opened with the fact “that the Bishops visit has bought Kathleen and myself closer together”, nothing spiritual only they had vacated their matrimonial bed for the Bish and were sleeping in a single bed.

  5. homepaddock says:

    GD – in many a joke there’s an element of seriousness. One government agency had (maybe still does) have a call centre in the Viaduct Basin in Auckland because, they said when queried by an MP as to why it was there, they got a sharp rent.

    The MP said no matter how sharp it was it would almost certainly be blunter than the rent in a provincial town from which the service could be provided just as well.

  6. Dave Kennedy says:

    And going one step further, shifting the capital to Invercargill actually makes a lot of sense: http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2015/03/invercargill-to-become-new-zealands.html

  7. Andrei says:

    The rules are Dave Kennedy that the joke has to be published before 12:00 on April the first – so that’s a fail

  8. Dave Kennedy says:

    How so, Andrei, is your watch fast?

  9. Andrei says:

    How so, Andrei, is your watch fast?

    Your link was published at 3:07pm March 31st 2015

  10. Dave Kennedy says:

    Ah, good point Andrei. The blog provider operates in a different time zone so that no matter when I write a post the recorded time appears as US time (I presume).

  11. Andrei says:

    I’ll forgive you Dave Kennedy – it is an option of blogger to set the time zone you wish to use for posting and comments

    Go do this and the post will correct itself and my nitpicking will be revealed for what it is 🙂

  12. homepaddock says:

    The blog is on NZ time and all posts and comments appear in NZ time on my computers, even when I’m overseas. Dave’s one on Invercargill as the capital was posted at 11:37.

  13. Dave Kennedy says:

    Andrei and Ele, perhaps I’m not the most technically adept, but I haven’t managed a way of resetting my blog times. This particular area is a mystery to me as I haven’t found the tool that enables this to hapen 😛

    Anyway I hoped my own contribution added to the general entertainment when considering shifting the power out of Wellington.

  14. Andrei says:

    perhaps I’m not the most technically adept

    This is most cruelly revealed when you post on Global Warming, a nonsense that can be revealed as such by reading Edward Lorenz’s most wonderful paper Deterministic Nonperiodic Flow from 1963

    Note: this doesn’t say that it isn’t happening, or that it couldn’t happen. What it does say unequivocally say is the predictions made by the Warmists will not stand up to rigorous analysis.

    And as we know that every prediction made by these people since the 1990’s has stubbornly refused to materialize often spectacularly

  15. homepaddock says:

    With WordPress you go to settings, click General, look for time zone and change it to NZ (+13 until Sunday morning when thankfully it will be back to +12). I don’t know how to do it for blogspot but it’s probably similar.

  16. Dave Kennedy says:

    Thanks, Ele, Blogspot doesn’t work the same way but you inspired me to try again. The old setting was on ‘Pacific time’ and after endless scrolling, found ‘Auckland time’ and made the change. WordPress may have more logical management tools as it took a lengthy search to even find the time setting 😉

    Andrei, that was a bit of a below the belt and off topic comment. It is also a little lame considering you represent and increasing minority view and ACT is now the only party that openly claims to be climate skeptics/deniers. Also the only group of scientists/activists in New Zealand that are fighting conventional science and questioning our local science institutions on climate change had their case thrown out of court. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7634556/Climate-sceptics-fail-in-Niwa-case

  17. Gravedodger. says:

    Whatever, it was good satire and was up there until something over took it around 1600 hours and that news was never going to be beat.

  18. Gravedodger. says:

    Then when that went up and the page updated I find that dopey dave has turned some light hearted frivolity into more doomsday, let it go Dave and spit your bile somewhwere else maybe bsprout eh.

  19. Ray says:

    It is also a little lame considering you represent and increasing minority view
    Once again Mr Kennedy your sweeping statement has only a passing acquaintance with the truth.

    http://scoopfeed.net/2015/03/26/climate-fail-gallup-poll-shows-global-warming-concerns-dead-last/

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/25/global-warming-climate-change-less-third-americans/

    Bishop Hill sums it up well for me.

    We are not actually tired of talking about climate change. We are, however, tired of being lectured about it, misled about it, lied to about it and subjected to an endless stream of propaganda about it by homicidal environmentalists and closet authoritarians.

  20. Dave Kennedy says:

    Good grief guys, I posted a lighthearted link in keeping with the proper thread and had a helpful discussion with Ele about blog settings and suddenly get attacked by Andrei and you blame me for dragging the conversation down, my intelligence is questioned, I’m called dopey dave…

    However I do find it highly entertaining when you castigate me for my climate change understandings and the Government that you so strongly defend actually supports most of what I say. What the US people believe doesn’t surprise me when they get a good amount of their info through Fox News and many of them staunchly reject evolution and think Obama is Muslim. Actually I think many of you may be getting you facts from the same sources as those poor people.

    These interviews are a few years old but they reflect how many Americans and the likes of GD and Ray are sucked in by spin. Nice heartland Americans being duped by nonsense and I often hear similar stuff being repeated here:

  21. RBG says:

    ‘homicidal environmentalists’- get a grip Ray.

  22. Andrei says:

    We all have to do our best to sift through the “spin” Dave, we are bombarded with BS from dawn to dusk

    And we all have our prejudices and blind spots that allow us to be manipulated

    You know what made me sad tonight?

    As (Western) Easter, that which we call Pascha, approaches the TV advertising which exploits the holiday to sell things that have nothing to do with it, in particular a special Lotto draw – something Holy and special used to sell gambling, a which is an exploitative business that manipulates peoples greed and avarice. The very antithesis of what Pascha actually celebrates

    I hate that

    Anyway I was just teasing you, I read what you write and if I disagree debate it with you, or not as the case may be – sometimes support you even.

  23. TraceyS says:

    “..the only group of scientists/activists in New Zealand that are fighting conventional science and questioning our local science institutions on climate change had their case thrown out of court.

    Dave, didn’t the Environment Court also rule out both mining and combustion as environmental effects?
    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/business/207771/court-will-not-consider-climate-change

  24. Dave Kennedy says:

    Tracey, you have lost me again with your argument. The NZ Climate Science Coalition claimed that NIWA’s calculating procedures were unscientific and unreliable but could not provide evidence to support that.

    The case that you are bringing up is nothing to do with the science around climate change but if there was a legal obligation to consider the effects on the climate in a resource consent. It was always a long shot because although emissions should be included they are not referred to within current RMA legislation. It doesn’t mean that climate considerations are irrelevant.

    What did you think the decision meant?

  25. Dave Kennedy says:

    Thanks for the explanation, Andrei, and you are right about the commercial manipulation that people are bombarded with. Commercial ethics are as strong as those that guide our current Government (they may even come from the same source).

  26. Ray says:

    Mr Kennedy, you dredge up a 2009 vintage video from a far left outfit called “New Left Media” and suggest we fall for the spin?
    Now that is funny.
    Read the post RBG, read the post.
    Even though I wish they were my words, they are not.

  27. RBG says:

    YOU found them online and posted them here Ray.

  28. TraceyS says:

    Dave @11:18pm, the commonality is that in both cases evidence was not sufficient to support the legal claims. And maybe in both cases, Court was not the best place to have the argument.

    I’ve never suggested that climate considerations are “irrelevant”. I believe that they are relevant. But on a scale of 1 to 10 how relevant are they? That is what the scientific research needs to answer; and has not yet done so empirically.

    That I refuse to rely on erroneous extrapolation, often made by pseudo and self-appointed experts, to fill the void which exists because of unanswered questions around the magnitude of climate change deems me a “denier” in the eyes of you and others you hang out with.

    Hopefully this explanation is not lost on you.

  29. Mr E says:

    I wonder what the Bishop means when he says this:

    ‘homicidal environmentalists’

    I wonder if he is referring to the environmentalists that promote (En masse) growing less food and selling it more expensively (organics)?

    Or is he referring to environmentalists that want some farming inputs more expensive, like oil, and fertiliser. Inevitably driving up the price of food.

    If he is, you’d almost think we was talking about the Green Party.

    At any rate – I don’t think he is being entirely fair. I doubt these environmentalists fully understand the outcomes of their goals. Starvation and death would likely occur should some of their dreams be realised, but they’ve not considered it. I don’t think the plan to be homicidal, or even want that – they just have not thought things through fully.

    I’d say to the Bishop, if you want to apply such labels, perhaps you should explain why they are there.

  30. Dave Kennedy says:

    Tracey, you still don’t understand the difference between the two cases and your second to last paragraph actually makes no sense at all unless you are referring to the crazy pseudo science being promoted by the NZ Climate Science Coalition.

    The coalition claimed that NIWA was part of an international conspiracy to falsify data to support the consensus around climate change. They had to come up with convincing evidence that NIWA’s systems were flawed and were producing false data. The court found their evidence did not prove that at all.

    The other case wasn’t about the validity of climate change, or it’s relevance to the consenting process, but whether current law allowed it to be considered. Because climate change and GHG emissions are not referred to at all in the RMA legislation it decided that it couldn’t be included.

    You are right when you say that both cases failed, but that is the only thing they really have in common.

  31. Andrei says:

    Instead of going around in circles over what the weather might or might not be doing in 100 years – a question that will have no answer for another 100 years by which time we wont be here to care about it……

    Why not do some baking for Sunday’s celebrations with those you love

    This is a tradition from my childhood we still keep up and one I hope my children will follow – I know the eldest has, she has proudly posted photos of her Kulich on facebook 🙂

  32. Dave Kennedy says:

    Oh dear Mr E, it feels like deja vu when you comment. The same attempts to place a narrow label on the Greens despite my continual evidence to show that we are solutions based. I don’t know how many times I have linked to our Good Farm Stories site where we have promoted ordinary farmers finding more sustainable solutions to common problems. Even UN research has found that we need to move away from industrial, large scale farms to more sustainable practices on smaller operations that better support biodiversity. http://www.unep.org/Documents.multilingual/Default.asp?DocumentID=52&ArticleID=62

    Lumping all environmentalists into one and combining them with the Green Party to dismiss their concerns and policies is as silly as saying all farmers and farms operate in the same way. It is simplistic nonsense.

  33. Dave Kennedy says:

    Thanks for lifting up the tone of the comments, Andrei, it is great to see other families traditions. My wife always bakes an Easter Cake that has marzipan in the centre. I’m not sure if it is an English tradition or what its origins are.

  34. Ray says:

    homicidal environmentalists’- get a grip Ray.
    I repeat, not my words….But….
    Not as far-fetched as it sounds.
    A climate change advocate, believed to be a Greenpeace activist and Guardian contributor, has called for the beheading of so-called “climate change deniers”, arguing the world would be a better place without them. The comments are merely the latest in a long history of warmists advocating the killing of people who question global warming dogma.

  35. Mr E says:

    “The same attempts to place a narrow label on the Greens despite my continual evidence to show that we are solutions based.”

    I didn’t try to place a narrow label on the Greens. I asked questions. Which incidentally you haven’t tried to answer. I wonder why.

    ” Even UN research has found that we need to move away from industrial, large scale farms to more sustainable practices on smaller operations that better support biodiversity.”

    Please show me where this report suggest smaller farm operations. I think you are talking nonsense again. Prove me wrong.

    I wonder what Waihopai Te Runanga o Ngai Tahu thinks of your disparaging comments regarding large scale farmers – supposedly less sustainable in your eyes. Ngai Tahu had $700M invested in farming in 2011 and are driving to $1.5B “helped by its conversion of forestry land into dairy farms.”

    One of their farms has won environmental awards – yet you think they are less sustainable than small farms.

    I wonder – do you actually have any evidence to prove that scale has anything to do with sustainability? Or are you simply promoting nonsense? I wonder if you have talked to Michael Skerrett about your concerns?

    “Lumping all environmentalists into one”

    I did no such thing Dave. Read my comment you will find I make statements like:

    “I wonder if he is referring to the environmentalists that ”
    “Or is he referring to environmentalists that”

    I pondered which environmentalists he was describing. I didn’t “lump” as you state in such an erroneous fashion.

  36. Dave Kennedy says:

    Mr E, I’m sure there are large farms that can operate sustainably, but the global trend is for increasingly larger industrial farms, often growing a similar crop or the same animal. Herbicides and pesticides are being used more for larger scale industrial farms which is having an effect on biodiversity and beneficial insects that are vital for orchards etc are dying off.

    Here is another link supporting my earlier statement that has chosen to highlight aspects of the UN report: https://www.minds.com/blog/view/361933126227726336/un-report-says-small-scale-organic-farming-only-way-to-feed-the-world

    Do you support the purchasing of phosphate from the Western Sahara when many countries have refused to buy it?

    Ray, you do like to engage in extreme stuff, are you implying that we have more to fear from environmentalists than ISIS? You are gullible to all this crazy hate filled spin. This is the quote from your source:

    “A climate change advocate, believed to be a Greenpeace activist and Guardian contributor, has called for the beheading of so-called “climate change deniers”, arguing the world would be a better place without them.”

    The “BELIEVED to be a Greenpeace activist and Guardian contributor” is the give away to such nonsense. I bet you won’t find the original source and who it was that said it. I can find heaps of articles linking to people in West Papua etc who are being slaughtered so that miners can access their land and I would love you to find examples of environmentalists and Greenpeace activists running around beheading people.

    http://freewestpapua.org/info/human-rights/

    Ray, if you are going repeat crazy allegations like that you need to have much better evidence than “believed to be”. That is just nasty scaremongering stuff and I can imagine the hysteria here if I claimed that a farmer was believed to have threatened to behead a Green Party member.

    It is interesting that when I actually try and engage in an actual apolitical thread with no intention of having an argument (which I actually often try and do) a little flock of Ele’s commenting seagulls rush in to abuse me when they see my name appear 😉

  37. Ray says:

    The “BELIEVED to be a Greenpeace activist and Guardian contributor” is the give away to such nonsense. I bet you won’t find the original source and who it was that said it.

    I posted the link to counter RBG’s incredulity at the term “homicidal environmentalists”
    You lose your bet.
    It was said by Gary Evans, a Greenpeace funded “Sustainability Consultant”, according to his Linked In profile.

    However, this is not the first time that global warming advocates have threatened violence against those who question the theory of anthropogenic global warming. In 2010 Greenpeace’s Gene Hasmi wrote: “Pressuring politicians on climate change is not working. We saw that in Copenhagen. Three months later, we also know why. Which is why the global climate movement now must do course-correction. We need to shift targets and go after the real termites that hollowed out and imploded Copenhagen.

    “Emerging battle-bruised from the disaster zone of Copenhagen, but ever-hopeful, a rider on horseback brought news of darkness and light: “The politicians have failed. Now it’s up to us. We must break the law to make the laws we need: laws that are supposed to protect society, and protect our future. Until our laws do that, screw being climate lobbyists. Screw being climate activists. It’s not working. We need an army of climate outlaws.”

    “The proper channels have failed. It’s time for mass civil disobedience to cut off the financial oxygen from denial and skepticism.

    “If you’re one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this:

    “We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.

    “And we be many, but you be few.”

  38. Mr E says:

    “Here is another link supporting my earlier statement that has chosen to highlight aspects of the UN report”

    Um Dave – you are talking about 2 different reports now. One a UNCTAD report. The first a UNEP report.

    Before I move onto the second UNCTAD report are you going to retract your statements about the UNEP report? Your statements appear to be completely wrong.

    Regarding phosphate purchase – I think that is another topic for another day.

  39. Dave Kennedy says:

    Ray, just as I expected, no threats of beheading. The closest I could see was “cut off the financial oxygen from denial and skepticism” and that has obviously led to the beheading quote. Good grief!

    I do agree that they are over the top comments though but you can hardly attribute them to the entire environmental and green movement. I don’t think we will need to beef up security to deal with rampaging environmentalists wanting to chop off people’s heads as you tried to imply.

    Mr E, good spotting, I was doing multiple tasks again and didn’t do a thorough check. But i did think they seemed to cover similar stuff on biodiversity and sustainability that is more easy to achieve on smaller scale farms. It probably doesn’t change the truth in the concept I was promoting.

  40. Ray says:

    Obviously your reading and comprehension skills still need some work, Mr Kennedy.
    Did you not spot…
    “Should that not be Ridley’s severed head in the photo?”
    Or…
    “We would actually solve a great deal of the world’s problems by chopping off everyone’s heads.”
    And…
    “Why are you deniers so touchy? Mere calls for a beheading evolve [sic] such a strong response in you people.”

    No?
    Thought not.

  41. Mr E says:

    Come on Dave,

    You said “Even UN research has found that we need to move away from industrial, large scale farms to more sustainable practices on smaller operations that better support biodiversity.” Then you put a link to the UNEP report. The UNEP report says nothing of the sort. Not even a whisper. Will you retract it so I can move onto the UNCTAD report?

  42. TraceyS says:

    Time to pull your head in Dave.

  43. Ray says:

    Yes Tracey, given the beheading subject matter, that would be timely advice. 🙂

  44. Dave Kennedy says:

    Oh dear, i actually wasn’t prepared to debate climate change and it was never my intention on this thread and i appear to be hijacked because I haven’t the time currently to read through your obvious rubbish in detail. I’m surprised Ele hasn’t stepped in because of obvious thread-jacking

    Ray, I agree it is over the top stuff but I think there is a bit of a difference between a rhetorical rant due to obvious frustration and an ISIS beheading. To imply that there are environmentalists actually demanding that beheadings are an appropriate action is a real stretch and i think that you can probably sleep safely for a wee while yet. I am not going to defend the comments because taken literally it is just nonsense.

    Tracey and Mr E, I have already admitted my mistake, here is the report I meant to link to:
    http://unctad.org/en/PublicationsLibrary/ditcted2012d3_en.pdf

    The report emphasizes shifting from high input industrial farming to ecological intensification based on a ‘mosaic of sustainable regenerative systems” and supporting “small scale farmers”. I guess this could still be achieved on large farms but broken into intensively managed units within them.

    I spent my morning supporting some protesting kitchen hands outside the Southland Hospital. The DHB has employed the failing HBL to outsource food and the current plan is to employ Compass to provide frozen pre-made trays of food that will be reheated in microwaves in each ward. No local business had the opportunity to tender and my Chamber of Commerce isn’t happy. Compass have a frightful reputation and our kitchen staff are obviously upset as they took pride in producing meals with fresh food, on site, to meet the various needs of the patients. This doesn’t help the local economy takes away local jobs and doesn’t best serve our patients.

    Compass has a troubled history of misconduct and not being honest about their ingredients. Early on in New Zealand it was found that they were using catfish from Vietnam and potatoes from Holland. We should be supporting our local suppliers not filling the pockets of overseas companies.

    That has been my real concern for today, not fighting you guys. You can all keep your heads on, although I imagine them all getting a little red and frothy 😉

    Have a Happy Easter.

  45. Ray says:

    Oh dear, i actually wasn’t prepared to debate climate change and it was never my intention on this thread
    Obviously you have already forgotten your post ….
    @ April 1st 2015 at 5:57pm? Which was obviously about climate change.
    No surprise to me where you have spent your day.
    While the outsourcing of DHB obviously may affect employment of some people.
    Your partial truths……
    frozen pre-made trays of food that will be reheated in microwaves in each ward.
    And unsubstantiated criticism of Compass
    Compass have a frightful reputation
    Obviously reinforce your nasty side.

  46. Mr E says:

    Oh dear Dave,
    Your excuse that you were distracted and therefore provided misinformation might wash with some and frankly I’d normally roll with it, but reckon I see this too often. You seem to like making silly comments, so easily undone by facts. Do you ever think to yourself, ‘I’m not too sure about this topic so I won’t say anything’. Or is it it that your opinion is just so important to you that you can’t hold back, on any old topic. Regardless of how foolish you might look after waltzing into it?

    I suspect this UNCTAD is another report you haven’t read. The report is very scathing of small scale farms.
    The report won’t let me copy and paste, and my touch screen is tough to type. But if you go to page 228 you find yourself cringing at your interpretation. From the report.
    ‘small-scale farming and rural poverty are intrinsically linked.’

    More importantly , this report does not mention NZ in its 341 pages not even once. I am sure you realise scale is different in NZ to other countries.

  47. Ray says:

    Oh dear, i actually wasn’t prepared to debate climate change and it was never my intention on this thread
    Obviously you have already forgotten your post ….
    @ April 1st 2015 at 5:57pm? Which was obviously about climate change.
    No surprise to me where you have spent your day.
    While the outsourcing of DHB obviously may affect employment of some people.
    Your partial truths……
    frozen pre-made trays of food that will be reheated in microwaves in each ward.
    And unsubstantiatedgleeful criticism of Compass
    Compass have a frightful reputation
    Obviously reinforce your nasty side.

  48. RBG says:

    Incredulous that Ray calls Dave nasty when nothing Dave has said is nasty. It was Andrei who brought up the subject of climate change on this thread. There are thousands of people who comment on global warming online, both sides will have some raving lunatics who advocate all sorts of things, reprinting that stuff here in bold does nothing except prove who the nasty commenters really are. Its Ray who should pull his head in TraceyS, it really looks like you have it in for Dave, he has not been the one smearing those on the opposite side of the AGW debate. Hello moderator, Homepaddock, you could at least remove the bold from Ray’s vitriolic comments. I’m speaking for the 99.999% of environmentalist who don’t want to behead those who disagree with us.

  49. Mr E says:

    RBG,
    Did you just suggest some environmentalists want to behead people?

  50. RBG says:

    Oh quite the comedian aren’t you Mr E, so fitting on a thread that started with April fools. Ray supposedly found one that suggested it. No evidence any have done so. The right wing can count Anders Breivik in their number, but I wouldn’t stoop so low as to imply that any of you are in any way tainted by association just because many of you may share some similar right wing opinions. Ray certainly seems full of hate. Perhaps he might spend a little time thinking about why we have a holiday this weekend and lose a bit of the anger.

  51. TraceyS says:

    “The right wing can count Anders Breivik in their number…” in much the same way that New Zealanders can count Mark Lundy in their number.

    Where Dave might learn to STFU is where he started to minimise the inexcusable and defend the indefensible “Ray, I agree it is over the top stuff but I think there is a bit of a difference between a rhetorical rant due to obvious frustration…”

    I haven’t got it in for Dave. Nor do I need to. He does a good enough job of it himself.

  52. RBG says:

    I came to this site to learn a bit about how National party supporters think, to see them speak their minds, I’ve seen enough.

  53. Mr E says:

    RBG,
    I appreciate humour at this site. Don’t you?

    Given that roughly half of the voting population support national, I am surprised you have to go looking for national supporter views. Don’t you get out? Don’t you have friends?

    I’d say my friends roughly represent voting proportions. I don’t seek political discussions, but I do see their political views.

  54. Ray says:

    I came to this site to learn a bit about how National party supporters think, to see them speak their minds, I’ve seen enough.
    Ray certainly seems full of hate.

    I come for the humour.
    What could be more amusing than a provincial town schoolteacher pontificating about The GlobalDairyTrade price index and beginning with the hard-hitting phrase…….
    “Our Farmers Market has a hazelnut stall holder ”
    Too funny.

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