Another quote of the day

“Schools are not there merely to teach in the old words of reading, writing and arithmetic, but they’re there to transition young people, especially at high school, into the real world,” . . . Canterbury University dean of law Dr Chris Gallivan

14 Responses to Another quote of the day

  1. Reblogged this on mailvarun92 and commented:
    Why do we need school?


  2. TraceyS says:

    “Schools are not there merely to teach in the old words of reading, writing and arithmetic, but they’re there to transition young people, especially at high school, into the real world,”….

    Would that be the “real world” that is University?

    I don’t entirely concur with this statement. The holistic development of the child and their successful transition into the adult world is primarily the role of the parents.


  3. RBG says:

    University is one part of the ‘real world’, as are businesses, farms, national parks, churches, mines, sports grounds, factories, oceans, hospitals…..what exactly was your point when you asked that question TraceyS?


  4. Paranormal says:

    Can’t agree with you there RPG when universities, and a lot of their inhabitants, seem so removed from the reality of life in New Zealand.


  5. JC says:

    When I was doing a fair amount of interviewing for jobs I was pretty partial to a university degree.. largely because I had some assurance that the interviewee had the ability to research and meet deadlines.

    It didn’t matter too much what the degree was for because you can usually teach a reasonably intelligent kid who can apply himself what he needs to know to do the job.

    But of course there are some jobs where you just want a plodder who will get on with a fairly boring and undemanding job.. and its surprising how many of these types show they can move up to more responsibility.



  6. Dave Kennedy says:

    Everyone must agree that maths and reading and writing are important skills that underpin a lot of our education, but I agree with the statement that a school should provide much more.

    I also agree with Tracey that parents and families have an important role to play. What I think what could be better managed is the relationship between school and family and a strengthening of the partnership to best support a child to become a fully engaged and useful contributor to society as an adult.

    I have researched a collaborative approach to learning for all children based on the IEP approach that we use for high needs children where a child’s strengths are celebrated (to build confidence) and their areas of need are identified and the school, as well has the family, work together to meet the need.

    The overarching values in our curriculum actually sum it up pretty well but the shift to National Standards has lost the plot of the original curriculum vision.

    The Key Competencies, if attained to a high level, would make our country a highly successful one, instead we are assessing the success of our education system through the very narrow lens of National Standards that were imposed later:

    Instead of inspired and enthusiastic teachers and engaged, confident learners we have stressed and constrained instruction (rather than teaching) and a growing number of depressed and demoralised students.

    As well as good mathematicians and writers we need innovative and creative thinkers, scientists and technologists and strong leaders who can inspire others (and not bully).

    As one of the writers of our Technology Curriculum it dismays me that we have had our advisors sacked and few teachers have the skills and knowledge to do the learning area justice. We had a wonderful science advisor in Southland who managed to design a mobile science lab that all schools here were provided with, they sit collecting dust in back rooms now as the science advisor position no longer exists.

    We led the world in education a few years ago and now we are copying failed systems from countries once ranked beneath us and have dropped from the top 4 to as low as 23rd.


  7. Dave Kennedy says:

    I also agree with JC, things like work ethic, reliability, tenacity, independence and taking pride in doing a good job of something (no matter how mundane) can be more important than a piece of paper saying that you are clever at something. The Minister of Education has made NCEA Level 2 the goal for all but success in Maths or English at that level is not a valid measure of success for all. My Grandmother’s formal education stopped at Std 6 but she was a highly capable lady who contributed a lot to society.

    Both of my kids have excelled at school but the system and academia does not suit all.

    We need more than accountants and report writers and some of our most successful New Zealanders were dyslexic. I wonder if being told he was well below standard for all of his school career would have inspired him to succeed?


  8. Dave Kennedy says:

    Last sentence in reference to Britten.


  9. Dave Kennedy says:

    Oops it should also read above that we DON”T really need more accountants and report writers!


  10. TraceyS says:

    To the determined, nothing is more inspirational than being told you will not succeed.


  11. TraceyS says:

    “…instead we are assessing the success of our education system through the very narrow lens of National Standards that were imposed later”

    We are? I have never seen a school report that focused only on National Standards.

    Dave, you do your profession no favours by portraying them as bland automatons.


  12. TraceyS says:

    “Was John Britten good at school?

    John Britten’s reports from primary school were not that good. They showed that he was not very good at English. However he was very artistic and good at speaking.”

    Click to access josh_inventions.pdf

    Were John Britten still at school today his reports might reflect much the same things. Last time I looked, there is still reporting on art and speaking/presentation.


  13. RBG says:

    “Would that be the ‘real world’ that is University? “asked TraceyS. Funny thing is lawyers are usually quite precise in their use of language. If the Dean of Law had meant ‘University’ he would have said so.


  14. RBG says:

    Paranormal, your anti-academic prejudice is showing.


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