Quote of the day

. . .  I’ve never disliked religion. I think it has some purpose in our evolution. I don’t have much truck with the ‘religion is the cause of most of our wars’ school of thought, because in fact that’s manifestly done by mad, manipulative and power hungry men who cloak their ambition in God. – Terry Pratchett

Hat tip: Rob Hosking

13 Responses to Quote of the day

  1. Willdwan says:

    I’ve always detested religion. Pratchett’s attitude is typical of one who has experienced it from afar, not had it rammed down their throat day and night. Years sitting in pews pretending, wondering if I’m the only one who sees through this ridiculous charade, too afraid to speak out. And just when you you think you’re free of it, you get enviro-marxism. Manipulative men (and women) seeking power. Never ends.

  2. Ray says:

    “God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players [i.e. everybody], to being involved in an obscure and complex variant of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won’t tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time.”
    Terry Pratchett, Good Omens: The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch

    RIP Sir Terry.

  3. Ray says:

    And a couple more favourites….

    “Give a man a fire and he’s warm for a day, but set fire to him and he’s warm for the rest of his life.”
    Terry Pratchett, Jingo

    “It would seem that you have no useful skill or talent whatsoever,” he said. “Have you thought of going into teaching?”
    Terry Pratchett, Mort

  4. farmerbraun says:

    The construction of the third sentence quoted is faulty.
    “that’s”, in the second clause of the third sentence refers to the “school of thought”.

    Sloppy! 🙂

  5. Andrei says:

    I’ve always detested religion. Pratchett’s attitude is typical of one who has experienced it from afar, not had it rammed down their throat day and night. Years sitting in pews pretending, wondering if I’m the only one who sees through this ridiculous charade, too afraid to speak out.

    Oh Will,

    Everyone has religion one way or another,a set of beliefs or axioms that provide an anchor in a world that is basically a mystery,often hostile and marked with random misfortunes as well as lucky breaks.

    For me my Faith is part of who I am, it connects me with my family, my forebears, and history.

    Modern “enlightenment” seems based on the premise that man is omnipotent and can and will in the fullness of time solve all problems.

    This of course is sheer hubris, we know less than nothing, even our wisest, and this is why it is a dangerous philosophy.

    Have you ever noticed how militant Atheists are always so angry?

  6. Willdwan says:

    No Andrei, I can’t say I’ve noticed that, but I have not had much to do with them. Nor am I sure that ‘everyone has a religion one way or another.’ But I have yet to encounter a religion that admits it knows less than nothing and does not try to force its ideas onto people, one way or another. Personal beliefs are fine, but that is not religion.

  7. robertguyton says:

    “But I have yet to encounter a religion that admits it knows less than nothing and does not try to force its ideas onto people, one way or another.”

    Animism, Will.

  8. JC says:

    “Animism, Will.”

    Taniwha move roads, Kauri stop houses from being built. The Greens have built a political, legal and enforcement creed based on animism.

    JC

  9. Andrei says:

    Alas Will I fear this thread is about to jump the shark

    But I have yet to encounter a religion that admits it knows less than nothing and does not try to force its ideas onto people, one way or another.

    My Faith is predicated upon God’s gift to mankind of “Free will” and that concept of “you can lead a horse to water but cannot make him drink”

    We are not going to come knocking on your door telling you we have the answers,

    Our Churches are there if you want or need them, but it is up to you to come and take in what you might learn or not as you choose

    For example The commandment might say “Thou shalt not commit Adultery” but you can break that commandment , plenty do

    But I never heard of anyone breaking it that didn’t in the long term do damage to themselves and more importantly to those for whom they are responsible and nominally care for.

    So what might seem like fun killing spoil sportism might actually be sound advice

    But you remain free to follow it or not as you choose

  10. JC says:

    “My Faith is predicated upon God’s gift to mankind of “Free will”

    Thats huge but for me the greatest gift of Christianity is its codification of “innate rights”. The concept that Man has certain rights that are given by God (or whatever ultimate force you believe in) and not bestowed by Man and cannot be taken away by any other agency is why our branch of the human family has done so well.

    OTOH the greatest threat we face is any belief that our innate rights depend on a Govt or other human agency. Ultimately the only role and duty of a human agency is that of protecting said rights.

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,”

    JC

  11. Willdwan says:

    I don’t approve of adultery either. It seems cruel and deceitful to me. But I dislike indoctrination and the weak excuses for it. Consider Pratchett’s idea, “it has some purpose in our evolution,’ you could say the same about the ebola virus.

    Must go, work calls and I obey.

  12. Andrei says:

    Another comment, Will, before adult dialogue between us becomes drowned by the babblings of idiots

    Everybody has to find the answers for themselves as to their meaning and purpose, its a journey, lifelong.

    The Church, (in my belief system) is a guide along the way.

    The way you choose to map your journey is for you to decide but ultimately whatever that is it is RELIGION

  13. robertguyton says:

    A forest – nature’s cathedral.

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