Sunday soapbox

Sunday’s soapbox is yours to use as you will – within the bounds of decency and absence of defamation. You’re welcome to look back or forward, discuss issues of the moment, to pontificate, ponder or point us to something of interest, to educate, elucidate or entertain, amuse, bemuse or simply muse.


We do not need magic to change the world. We carry all the power we need inside ourselves. We already have the power to imagine better. – J.K. Rowling.

33 Responses to Sunday soapbox

  1. robertguyton says:

    3 News/Reid Research poll

    Peters 35%
    Osborne (National) 30%
    Prime (Labour) about 14%

    Asked who they would vote for if the Labour candidate stood aside:

    – Winston Peters 51%
    – Mark Osborne 37%
    – Joe Carr 7%


  2. jabba says:

    Great to hear that Labour are now going to support the Holiday Highway” in the north. I wonder what changed their minds?

  3. Andrei says:

    It aint over til the fat lady sings Robert

    And in the scheme of things it means little more than next weeks episode of Coronation Street and is even more boring, if that were possible

  4. robertguyton says:

    “In the scheme of things”, Andrei?
    You thinking in terms of geological time, or some petty political moment, such as a world war? It’s all very well for you to decide what is and what isn’t worth discussing, as you regularly do, but who was it that decided that the issues that hold your attention are any more important than those that fascinate others?
    Global politics? Pffft! What about the collapse of species, presently taking place at an unprecedented rate? Eh?

  5. jabba says:

    I just don’t understand why the Greens decided not to contest the Northland seat.
    I wonder if Dave K can let me know?

  6. Dave Kennedy says:

    Jabba, it was a heavily discussed issue within the party it was decided (using a benefit/cost analysis) that our energies and finances would be better diverted to our nationwide campaigns and our leadership contest. This was a pragmatic decision and believe it or not was decided well before it was shown that Winston had a chance. As you will be aware there has never been a particularly close relationship between Winston and the Greens so we would hardly pull a candidate just to support him. We even had a potential strong candidate, David Clendon, who lives in the electorate, but saw little benefit to the party in shifting a lot of resources into this by-election so soon after the national one.

    We intend to use the money saved to lead a couple of national campaigns on climate change and inequality that we think have much more long term importance. We also have 3 (and possibly 4) very capable candidates for the male leadership and would like to support a nationwide tour so that our members, and possibly the wider public, can get to know them a little better.

  7. robertguyton says:


  8. jabba says:

    I understand Dave BUT elections like this are a contest of ideas and what better way to get your message out there?

  9. robertguyton says:

    Getting the Green ideas out … in Northland? Is contesting a by-election caused by the “mysterious”, under-a-cloud “resignation” of the National Party MP the best way to do that?
    The Greens think not and they know best about their own business. Why is Jabba so interested in Green Party politics? Envy, perhaps? Fascination with ethical behaviour that’s foreign to him? It’s a puzzle why Jabba’s so entranced with the Greens. Potential voter, I reckon.

  10. robertguyton says:

    Nation-wide tour, Dave! Good idea. The Greens are not being distracted from their mission by side-shows like the Northland by-election. In any case, Winny’s got it sewn-up. Poor National. Gonna be feel in’ bad when those results come in.

  11. jabba says:

    I’m as interested in the Greens as you are in National and Act bOb.
    I have heard a rumor about Mike and if true, then it may never become public. Note the word IF?
    Now as a former Green Party member, can you tell us all why did Norman resign bOb?

  12. jabba says:

    Boko Haram Swears Allegiance To ISIS: 31 Groups Now Pledge Support Or Allegiance To Islamic State Group.
    Oh well, none of our business aye?

  13. robertguyton says:

    The Northland by-election (how much is that costing us taxpayers, Jabba?) is going to be entertaining in a way that’s not going to be comfortable for National. People will be asking, “Why are we having one anyway? Why did Mike Sabin resign? What might have done that is so horrible that even Jabba, a man, some say, with no scruples at all, can’t bear to think about it? How’s that going to affect the by-election, given that most people in Northland have probably heard the same horrible stories that Jabba seems to have heard?
    I’m very glad the Greens are keeping out of that nasty mess. John Key’s going there though. Bet he gets a reception.

  14. robertguyton says:

    Fyi – Jabba

    “Labour leader Andrew Little has given a strong hint to left-leaning voters that they can be “realistic” and back Winston Peters in the Northland by-election.

    Mr Little told TVNZ’s Q&A that Labour will not pull its candidate Willow-Jean Prime from the by-election contest, despite a Colmar Brunton polls showing Mr Peters would win easily if she was not in the running.

    However, he called for left voters to be “realistic” with their candidate choice.

    “They’ve got a vote they should use it. If they want to vote to send a message to the Government then they should use it.

    “They are intelligent enough to see how they can do that.”

  15. jabba says:

    I assume it is costing the same as any by-election of this sort bOb.
    I assume he resigned due to the reason he said. He is being investigated by the Police over something so resigned to focus on his defence. Sounds fair to me bOb.
    What do I know bOb .. only what someone posted on Facebook and if (IF) true, then details will be suppressed. Now bOb, I like to obey the laws of the land, something you seem to struggle with, so will wait until the investigation has been completed.
    So why did Russelll really resign?

  16. Andrei says:

    There is no such thing as ISIS jabba – there are warlords running amok from Nigeria to Pakistan some of whom have raised a banner proclaiming the goal of reestablishing a (or the) Caliphate.

    Some may actually believe it, others just cynically use it as a recruiting tool

    In fact most of their warriors are fighting for what men have fought for for ever – that is loot and women, not some noble vision.

    The reason why the so called “war on terror” now entering its 15th year is going nowhere is that the narrative is wrong and we are fighting the wrong people, in the wrong places at the wrong times for the most part.

    And making matters worse as we do so

  17. robertguyton says:

    “any by-election of this sort

    Of what sort, Jabba?

    The unsavoury sort, I expect you mean.

  18. jabba says:

    So Russelll resigned as he is too busy being a co-leader and wants to spend more time with his young family .. is the reason bOb?

  19. Ray says:

    it was decided (using a benefit/cost analysis) that our energies and finances blah blah blah

    better diverted to our leadership contest.

    “Your” finances or the taxpayers finances?

  20. Dave Kennedy says:

    Jabba, The by-election will be all over in a puff of smoke and will be quickly forgotten. The Greens are unlikely to get much media coverage if the focus is all on National and Winston, this won’t actually be a contest of ideas that the Greens prefer but on the personalities. Better to put our money where we can get a better bang for our buck. As you know we Greens are smart financial operators and raised more than Labour in the election campaign. We work hard for our funds and don’t like throwing it away.

    Russel resigned because he has been in the leadership role for almost a decade, his family situation was obviously one part of the decision but he told me that he want to look at other options while he is still relatively young. He doesn’t want to be party leader for ever. It is also good for the party to have a fresh skills and a new approach to leadership to build on what Russel has achieved (more of the same isn’t always healthy). Hopefully people will become aware of the depth of our party through the leadership contest, unlike most other parties we actually have a number of very competent people who could easily step up to the role.

    ““Your” finances or the taxpayers finances?”

    Ray, you obviously aren’t aware of how these things work, internal party management cannot be funded by the taxpayer. We employ a full time fundraiser and have a large fundraising and marketing committee.

  21. Andrei says:

    In answer to your snide remark @12:47 pm Robert Guyton, which common sense said I should treat with the disdain it merits by ignoring it…..

    A political poll taken by a TV News Network couple of weeks out from a by election is just noise, like ads for the “shark rotator lift-away” or women’s hygiene products – part of the incessant background babble which is the curse of modern life.

  22. jabba says:

    robertguyton says:
    March 8, 2015 at 2:24 pm .. blah blah blah
    hahaha .. so it’s ok for the left to do this but not National (Epson) OK then bOb, I understand the way you muppets think.

  23. robertguyton says:

    Jabba loves Russel.
    We’ve known it for a while, noticed it when it began and just can’t see why a grown Jabba would feel that way, but there it is!
    I think it’s kinda cute.

  24. Andrei says:

    It’s all very well for you to decide what is and what isn’t worth discussing, as you regularly do,

    At the risk of being considered a troll and derailing the sujet du jour which appears to be Robert Guyton slinging insults and getting them back

    I offer for your amusement an item of sheer joy, the late Demis Roussos singing “Dinata” the title of which is linguistically interesting being a homophone in modern Greek for which I think a better transliteration would render “Dynata” this linking it to familiar English words like Dynamic.

    Apart from the title Mr Roussos is singing in French, lyrics that differ from the original Greek but carry a similar sentiment – note the fact the title is a homophone to consider why a direct translation might not be attempted

    Two other interesting titbits the melody was composed by an Armenian and this song in Greek was chosen to close the Athens Olympics, it blew me away then and still does now

    Anyway I hope you enjoy this and it brightens your day

  25. Andrei says:

    Just to clarify it was the great Greek singer Eleftheria Arvanitaki who originally sang this and performed it at the Athens Olympics

    Perhaps I post her original version sometime, it is so good

  26. robertguyton says:



    John Keys.

    It’s all the same, eh, Jabs!

  27. JC says:


    Amusing. In one stroke Little with the tacit support of the Greens have legitimised National’s tactical voting.

    Also, Little doesn’t seem to understand that Labour’s result in Northland will be a referendum on his leadership of the party with possible ramifications on Maori support for its party vote at the next general election.. a smack in the eye of the Prime whanau is no small thing in that region.


  28. robertguyton says:

    The Prime whanau will vote to topple the National Government.
    Kia kaha, whanau!

  29. robertguyton says:

    So, JC, before Little’s “one stroke”, National’s tactical voting was…not legit?
    Thanks for your clarification.

  30. RBG says:

    I’ll bet no one knew that Mike Sabin stepped down so Northland could have a referendum on Little’s leadership. Thanks for clearing that up JC, lots of us had been wondering what the real reason for Sabin’s resignation was.

  31. Ray says:

    internal party management cannot be funded by the taxpayer.

  32. Dave Kennedy says:

    Ray, you obviously think that the Greens continually use taxpayer funds illegally, I’ll just leave you with your wild conspiracy theories as no matter what anyone says it is just what you want to believe 😉

    You should be more concerned about the large corporate donations that went to the National Party directly and then distributed to electorate campaigns without the original source needing to be identified.

  33. Ray says:

    Please don’t tell me where my consternations should be focused, I am not your class pupil, nor am I in the slightest concerned with green or National donations, Mr Kennedy.
    What is your infatuation with the word “obviously”, it appears in many of your replies pointing out the error of our ways. Perhaps it serves to stroke your ego?

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