Dotbomb foiled by facts

Kim Dotcom who is awaiting extradition with a personal vendetta against the Prime Minister and who is doing his best to buy our election promised to drop a bombshell last night.

He failed.

There was no bomb and the email on which Dotcom based some of his claims is a fake.

The Kim Dotcom “big reveal” is out – and has almost immediately been dismissed as a fake.

The “reveal” is an email which purports to show Prime Minister John Key involved in a plan to get the internet entrepreneur into New Zealand so he could be extradited to the United States.

It is the evidence which Dotcom is planning on producing at the Moment of Truth event tonight. It is also contrary to every assurance the Prime Minister has ever given about his knowledge of Dotcom.

The source of the email is shrouded in mystery and there are likely to be arguments over its authenticity.

It is is dated October 27, 2010 and is purported to be from Warner Brothers chairman and chief executive Kevin Tsujihara to a senior executive at the Motion Picture Association of America – the lobby group for the Hollywood studios.

However, Warner Bros told the Herald the email was a fake. Paul McGuire, the movie studio’s senior vice president for worldwide communications, told the Herald: “Kevin Tsujihara did not write or send the alleged email, and he never had any such conversation with Prime Minister Key.”

Mr McGuire said: “The alleged email is a fabrication.” . . .

And the allegations about mass surveillance?

The dotbomb was foiled by facts:

Prime Minister John Key corrected misinformation that was put in the public domain concerning the operations of the Government Communications Security Bureau.

“Claims have been made tonight that are simply wrong and that is because they are based on incomplete information,” Mr Key says.

“There is not, and never has been, a cable access surveillance programme operating in New Zealand.

“There is not, and never has been, mass surveillance of New Zealanders undertaken by the GCSB.

“Regarding XKEYSCORE, we don’t discuss the specific programmes the GCSB may, or may not use, but the GCSB does not collect mass metadata on New Zealanders, therefore it is clearly not contributing such data to anything or anyone,” Mr Key says.

“I am setting the record straight tonight because I believe New Zealanders deserve better than getting half of a story, embellished for dramatic effect and political gain, and based on incomplete information.

“The GCSB undertakes cyber security operations to protect individual public and private sector entities from the increasing threat of cyber-attack and this is very important work.

“It does not, however, remotely resemble what has been claimed,” Mr Key says.

The GCSB’s cyber security operations occur within its legal framework and only when the following conditions are met:

Each entity must provide individual legal consent to be protected by the GCSB;

The independent Commissioner of Security Warrants must be satisfied each individual case is within the law, and a legal warrant must be co-signed by the Prime Minister and the Commissioner;

Warrants are subject to a two-step process, as outlined by the Prime Minister when legislation was passed last year. A warrant is required for high level cyber protection for an individual entity, and the content of a New Zealander’s communications cannot be looked at by a GCSB employee unless a specific cyber threat is identified which relates to that communication. If that is the case, the GCSB must return to the Prime Minister and the Commissioner to make the case for a second warrant in order to access that communication.“Our cyber security programme began operating this year after a lengthy process of assessing options for protection,” Mr Key says.“The Bureau assessed a variety of options for protection and presented an initial range to Cabinet for consideration in 2012.“The Cabinet initially expressed an interest in GCSB developing a future business case for the strongest form of protection for our public and private sectors, but it later revoked that decision and opted for what we have now – something known as Cortex.The Prime Minister tonight also released declassified material, including a Cabinet minute to show what occurred.“In stark contrast, the Bureau actually operates a sound, individually-based form of cyber protection only to entities which legally consent to it,” Mr Key says.3 April 2012 – Cabinet Minute (PDF3) shows Cabinet asks for business case on cyber security protection initiative.After this Rebecca Kitteridge is called in, problems with the legal framework and internal issues in the GCSB are identified through reviews.September 2013 – Cabinet Minute (PDF2) shows formal rescinding of request for business case and notice of new, narrower project. The business case had been known only as initiative 7418 through the Budget process because of its classification.Related Documents

July 2014 – Cabinet agrees to Cortex, a narrower cyber security programme. (Cab paper and minute PDF 1 and PDF4)

March 2013 – PM tells GCSB not to bring business case forward. Informs GCSB it is too broad. Budget contingency funding will be rolled over and used for something else in cyber security.

September 2012 – It becomes clear there are issues with the GCSB’s surveillance of Mr Dotcom.

Timeline

“I can assure New Zealanders that there is not, and never has been, mass surveillance by the GCSB.

“The business case for the highest form of protection was never completed or presented to Cabinet and never approved. Put simply, it never happened,” Mr Key says.

“These options ranged from the highest possible form of protection to a much weaker form of security, with some in between.

“The process began in late 2011 when the GCSB made it clear to me that cyber-attacks were a growing threat to our country’s data and intellectual property and the Government needed to invest in addressing that.

In addition to this, the Inspector General of Intelligence and Security has substantially stronger powers to monitor the GCSB’s activities and ensure they are appropriate and within the law.

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Glenn Greenwald’s claims that the Southern Cross undersea cables have been tapped into or accessed were described as total nonsense by CEO Anthony Briscoe:

The cables, which link New Zealand to Australia, the Pacific and the United States, are untouched, Mr Briscoe noted.

“I can tell you quite categorically there is no facility by the NSA, the GCSB or anyone else on the Southern Cross cable network.”

“Let’s be quite blunt. To do this, we would have to take the cable out of service and I can assure you there’s no way we are going to do that.

“It is a physical impossibility to do it without us knowing. There is just no way it can be done. I can give you absolute assurances from Southern Cross – and me as a Kiwi – that there are no sites anywhere on the Southern Cross network that have to do with interception or anything else the NSA or GCSB might want to do.”

He added, any breach of the cable would require temporarily shutting down its transmission for hours. Southern Cross has monitoring systems built into its computers watching for any such break and they would be triggered as soon as any attempt was made.

“There isn’t a technology in the world, as far as I am aware, that can splice into an undersea fibre optic cable without causing a serious outage and sending alarms back to our network operation centre, that something’s wrong.”

Southern Cross is obligated to comply with the well-established and public lawful surveillance requirements in the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act and related laws in the United States. However there is no equipment installed in the New Zealand or United States landing stations, or on the cable itself, which could result in mass interception of communications.

We are very disturbed that such unfounded allegations have been made and feel that it’s important for all New Zealanders to understand that this outrageous claim is totally untrue.

One good thing to come out of this is that the media is no longer Dotcom’s friend:

What was supposed to take John Key and National down might well do the opposite – and here’s a theory on that:

This won’t do the Internet Mana Party any good apropos of which:

A major upset could be ahead for Hone Harawira in the Māori electorate of Te Tai Tokerau, given the close battle between him and Kelvin Davis according to our Māori Television poll results.

Hone Harawira is still leading the electorate on 38%.  However Kelvin Davis is on 37%, so there is just 1% between them. . .

Internet Mana hasn’t got close to 5% in any polls.

Both parties need Harawira to win this seat to survive together or separately.

In other news, there are apparently other parties trying to campaign but they’ve been starved of oxygen while this circus has performed.

55 Responses to Dotbomb foiled by facts

  1. Did the ‘evidence’ that John Key presented in his defence, mean anything?
    If you think it did, please share your insights with us all.

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  2. [Deleted – quote without link]

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  4. Gravedodger says:

    In the light of the Emperor having no new clothes, just the same old very boring onsie, it is time now for the PM after attempting to be more open and transparent on our security to revert to the Clark MO and decline to discus any matters around National Security.
    His efforts are only giving oxygen to haters and wreckers who have absolutely zero regard for our country while John Key stands between them and the treasury benches.
    Words such as Statesmanship are so 20th century as the scrabble for seats in the BMWs degenerates into total farce.

    Very fortunate that H1 removed the statutes around sedition eh.

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  5. Freddy says:

    So in the wash up, it turns out Kim Dotcom is the biggest spy we have in this country. That must stick in your throat Robt.

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  6. Willdwan says:

    Will the media ever get tired of being played by the left? One non-existent crisis after another and now this!

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  7. JC says:

    There’s the start of a joke here I think..

    An international criminal, an antisemitic and sock puppeteer, a hacker hiding from rape charges, an information thief, traitor and fugitive in Russia walk into a bar and order drinks from Winston whilst Russel, Laila, Hone, several Labour MPs, and Nicky scurry around organising food, tucking in napkins, lighting cigarettes and bowing reverently; RG arrives with a mop…………

    JC

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  8. robertguyton says:

    [Deleted quote without link]

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  9. Bingo Bob says:

    Yes Robert you’re right. Last week I drove through Kaikoura and there is on in a telecom phone box there too. I saw it with my very own eyes….I believe everything they see.

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  10. homepaddock says:

    Robert – if you’re quoting give the link so people can get the context. If you’re not going to link don’t quote other people.
    Please give the links for those you’ve quoted today or I’ll delete them.

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  11. Quintin Hogg says:

    Robert,
    There is a US consulate in Auckland. That will be one of the NSA bases (using the widest possible definition of the word).
    And the other? My pick would be Kauri Cliffs, under one of the greens.

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  12. Andrei says:

    Here’s Robert’s link Ele

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/15/moment-truth-greenwald-dotcom-snowden-assange-new-zealand-john-key

    Make no mistake, when I saw paramilitary police raiding Dotcoms mansion alarm bells rang for me.

    And that this was done at the behest of vested interests of a foreign power increased my sense of disgust at where this Nation is going.

    K, Dotcom is highlighting an issue we should be discussing, like it or not.

    He may be a buffoon but he is doing us, those of us who value our freedom and national sovereignty a service

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  13. JC says:

    Sir Bruce Fergussen did us an even bigger favour last night.

    He’s no lover of the PM but he gave a wholehearted endorsement of Keys words on the matter.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/former-gcsb-boss-denies-snowdens-claims-2014091520

    (Skip to just after the 6 minute mark)

    He finally said the words we’ve been waiting for.. that these foreign interlopers are “criminals and traitors” being boosted by elements here in NZ.

    He flat out stated the accusations from Snowden et al were false but it was also time we grew up and understood the threats we face and therefore why we need the likes of the GCSB.

    JC

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  14. RBG says:

    Who to believe?

    Mr Briscoe noted.
    “I can tell you quite categorically there is no facility by the NSA, the GCSB or anyone else on the Southern Cross cable network.”

    From the Herald
    “Mr Key today acknowledged the GCSB had indeed tapped into the cable, but for the purposes of a cybersecurity programme.”

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  15. RBG says:

    JC -“He finally said the words we’ve been waiting for”

    Your own admission that you are more concerned with attacking the messengers than discussing the issues.

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  16. JC says:

    “Mr Key today acknowledged the GCSB had indeed tapped into the cable, but for the purposes of a cybersecurity programme.”

    Key didn’t say that. What he did say was:

    (Mr Key said the capability the GCSB developed was “for want of a better term, a probe” to sit over the Southern Cross Cable.

    “A test probe was built, but it was never used to collect wholesale metadata. But we never went ahead with the project, so it was never turned on.”)

    JC

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  17. Mr E says:

    OK so what are the facts from Dot Com?

    Snowden says – without evidence.
    Greenwald says – without evidence.

    Apparently the NSA is in NZ, but where, nobody knows.
    Both Snowden and Greenwald are linking GCSB with NSA but without evidence.

    Dot Com has an email – which is apparently fake, and reading around the internet, few think it is real.

    So we apparently have a fake email, and some peoples opinions.

    The nearest thing we have to a scandal is a concept of wide security surveillance. Which never made it past the drawing board.

    Wow. Dot bomb.

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  18. Blokeinauckland says:

    People don’t forget Dotcom alleged this conspiracy to get him residence in NZ so he could be extradited innthe District Court in Auckland – it was thrown out of the District Court a couple of weeks ago with the Judge chiding the plaintiffs (Dotcom) for producing not a shred of evidence of a conspiracy. If Dotcom believed the email was legitimate he would have presented it to the court because it supports absolutely hi s conspiracy allegation. That he did not Produce it to the court shows he knows it was a fake and would stand any scrutiny.

    The bloke is proven fraudster. More of the same. Trust Guyton to try to change the narrative given fizzer that blew up in the Left’s faces last night.

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  19. jabba says:

    all those who have hung their hats on the hager book and all this spook stuff in and around Dotcom and his “mates” are looking silly .. NZ has FINALLY woken up .. except for our Green/Mana-Internet friends .. I really feel for Cunliffe stuck in no-mans land

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  20. JC says:

    But he had one huge win.. well, he and the other foreign criminals and traitors plus Russel and Nicky.. they got a weaker national security system than is good for the country.

    Key and his cabinet had four security choices.. do nothing ranging up to the highest level.. they chose something less than recommended by the experts because of the GCSB fallout over Dotcom.

    JC

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  21. How many people have watched the youtube “Moment of Truth”?

    211, 918 @ 4:13pm.

    Lots, eh!

    Check out the thumb’s up and compare with the thumbs down.

    Whadda you reckon about that, Homies?

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  22. TraceyS says:

    Reckon hard-workin’ sorts ain’t got much time for watching YouTube. And when we do, we’d watch somethin’ interesting.

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  23. robertguyton says:

    That you don’t think the deliveries from Snowden, Assange and Greenwald were “interesting”, Tracey, speaks volumes about you and it’s not something you should be proud of.

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  24. TraceyS says:

    Oh Robert, no, there is just competition for my interest! This stuff’s way down the list. Might not always be. But for now it is and it is for a lot of people I know.

    Don’t assume people to be shameful just because they have different lives and world-views to you.

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  25. “This stuff’s way down the list.
    “https://homepaddock.wordpress.com/2014/09/16/dotbomb-foiled-by-facts/#comment-289423
    Yes, Tracey. I understand. Where you are coming from. How you think. Why you vote the way you do.

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  26. Mr E says:

    I found it interesting. Interesting and funny. It is obvious that their bombshell was evidence of operation ‘speargun’, and Key completely deflated their sails. Leaving them with nothing. Just anger that got directed at the media.
    I’m picking that the bombshell was good for National’s polling.

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  27. TraceyS says:

    Well, good, Robert! All my effort has been worthwhile. I’ll sleep well tonight.

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  28. “NSA tipped Key off in advance of Greenwald’s revelations about the GCSB. Andrea Vance reports:

    Ferguson’s admission backs up Snowden’s evidence about XKeyscore – but Greenwald argued Key cannot confirm it because he promised to resign in the event the GCSB was found to be carrying out mass surveillance.

    ‘‘The reason that John Key won’t admit what Mr Ferguson himself admitted … is because XKeyscore by its nature is a system of mass surveillance,’’ he said.

    Greenwald also said he believed the NSA tipped off the National-led Government about what was coming. The Pulitzer Prize-winning writer took his information to the US spy agency on Sunday.

    Following this, Key admitted the GCSB had proposed a programme of mass surveillance, which he canned in March 2013.

    ‘‘He clearly learned about the documents that we intended to publish that show that this had gone beyond the proposal stage and was partially implemented,’’ Greenwald said.”
    http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-17092014/

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  29. In response to Mr Enonymous’ vapid, hide-behind-a-fake-name claims:
    “So desperate was the Prime Minister to find some wriggle-room, just hours before the Moment of Truth event took place, John Key threw a straw man diversion at the media in the form of some largely unrelated information. Clearly Key specifically declassified sensitive documents outlining the malware system CORETEX in the hope that the impending revelations about the Southern Cross Cable tap initiative called SPEARGUN would be sidetracked or not believed. But perhaps an even bigger PR disaster for the PM happened the next day, when he wouldn’t answer questions about the existence of another spying tool called XKEYSCORE. At the same time a former GCSB director, Sir Bruce Fergusson, seemed to confirm XKEYSCORE’s existence and use in New Zealand. Whoops!”
    http://thejackalman.blogspot.co.nz

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  30. Mr E says:

    The Jackal – “vapid, hide-behind-a-fake-name”

    FAIL!

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  31. JC says:

    “That you don’t think the deliveries from Snowden, Assange and Greenwald were “interesting”, Tracey, speaks volumes about you and it’s not something you should be proud of.”

    One good reason for ignoring Greenwald is that he’s a fraud. He has never received the Pulitzer Prize.

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/09/media-advisory-glenn-greenwald-fraud/

    As Slater says, the janitor has exactly the same claim to the prize as Mr Greenfraud.

    JC

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  32. The number of people whip have watched the youtube “Moment of Truth”?
    Well over 239, 000.

    Goodness!

    That’s a lot of interest, right there.

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  33. JC says Greenwald is “a fraud”

    https://homepaddock.wordpress.com/2014/09/16/dotbomb-foiled-by-facts/#comment-289460

    Desperate smearing as per John Key’s playbook.

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  34. TraceyS says:

    What does this speak volumes of, Robert?

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/greenwald-reporter-broke-nsa-story-lawyer-sued-porn-biz-article-1.1383448

    “I didn’t manage my life from the age of 18 onward with the intention of being a family values U.S. senator”.

    “…they also partnered up to produce therapy products in California, as well as a movie called, “Showboy,” but he soon determined the business world was not for him.

    “Being a businessman, running businesses, was never my interest. I just sort of experimented with it,” Greenwald said. “It was interesting — a different challenge, a different way of life.”

    It was “interesting”. Hmmm there’s that word again and my instincts were right, yours wrong, Robert. For goodness sakes do your research next time. I bet all the pen-names here are better sorts of people than this chap.

    Pornography OK, whereas tobacco bad? Seem to remember, not very long ago, your criticism in regard to the latter experience of a mere ex-employee let alone an owner and profit-taker!

    Where are your values?

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  35. Mr E implies that The Jackal’s comments should be disregarded in the same manner as his own should, because both use a
    “vapid, hide-behind-a-fake-name”

    https://homepaddock.wordpress.com/2014/09/16/dotbomb-foiled-by-facts/#comment-289469

    Agreed.

    If you want to be listened-to, use your real name.

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  36. TraceyS says:

    “The number of people whip have watched the youtube “Moment of Truth”?

    And I wonder how many people have watched Greenwald’s “other” video productions. They sound “interesting” don’t they Robert?

    Well, not to me but….

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  37. Tracey joins JC in smearing Greenwald. Shoot the messenger is the Tory way, eh, #teamkey
    https://homepaddock.wordpress.com/2014/09/16/dotbomb-foiled-by-facts/#comment-289471

    Slater would be proud of you both.

    Shall we look at what Greenwald has said, with regard Key’s deceptions around spying on New Zealanders? Should we attend to the claims by Snowden over the use of X-keyscore here in New Zealand?
    No, let’s dig around til we can find something to smear the men with, eh, Tracey!
    Smearing, muck-raking, personal attacks – it’s how your team operates. Hey, I know! Let’s call him a “henchman”, that’ll harm his reputation in a way that’s hard for him to counter. Maybe we could call hims fool, or what about stoopid. “Loser”? What about “loser”? That’d be be effective. I know, it’s not the sort of thing a PM would normally say, but these are desperate times, eh, JC, eh, Tracey!!
    Yeah! Loser! That’ll get the crowd baying.

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  38. “A major undersea telecommunications cable that connects Australia and New Zealand to North America has been tapped to allow the United States National Security Agency and its espionage partners to comprehensively harvest Australian and New Zealand internet data.

    Documents published by The Intercept website by former US intelligence contractor Edward Snowden show that New Zealand’s electronic spy agency, the Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB), worked in 2012 and 2013 to implement a mass metadata surveillance system based on covert access to the Southern Cross undersea cable network.”

    I apologise for this, Tracey. It’s not a smear or any sort of “shoot the messenger” thing, so you’ll probably not read it for meaning, but I thought I’d try putting something intelligent up, just in case there’s someone there who can handle that sort of material.
    It’s from the Sydney Morning Herald and I know they don’t behave like Sean Plunket or John Armstrong, so I apologise for that to – it’ll read very ‘foreign to you. And for you Ele, the link. Feel free to follow it and read the whole article. Or you could tune into RadioLive and hear Plunket rant in all his pro-Tory glory.

    http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/edward-snowden-reveals-tapping-of-major-australianew-zealand-undersea-telecommunications-cable-20140915-10h96v.html

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  39. TraceyS says:

    Ummm Robert, I did not have to go digging around! What a ridiculous thing to suggest. His Wikipedia page leads straight to the article. It is public information. You are just annoyed that I found it AFTER you already went spouting off like you actually respect this man.

    Kim Dotcom is right about one thing and that’s the media not doing their job. Why was this seedy history not reported on? Hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders would be appalled by this man’s background because we are a nation of largely decent people. Maybe that’s the reason? If it is – that’s just not good enough.

    “Henchman”, as it has been pointed out, has a relatively benign meaning.

    On the other hand:

    “Pornographer: someone who presents shows or sells writing or pictures that are sexually explicit in violation of the community mores”

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pornographer

    John Key has done nothing to harm this man’s reputation that he has not already done to himself. Ask yourself this – if he had, why is this Mr Greenwald not suing his pants off?

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  40. A question for you, Tracey.
    What’s your view on Key’s comment “rather large butt”, aimed at Kim Dotcom?

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  41. Mr E says:

    Robert distorts the truth saying things like “Mr E implies”

    He dislikes my comments – because I have a pseudonym. Then he supports the comments of others with pseudonyms.

    It is blindly obvious to me that he simply wants silence from me.

    Why? Who knows.

    I did note this phrase – “If you want to be listened-to, use your real name. ”

    Frankly speaking, statements like that wreak of authoritarian attitudes and I doubt Robert truly listens to anyone but those that supports his views anyway.

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  42. TraceyS says:

    There you go, in the gutter again Robert, resorting to nasty personal insinuations to save yourself from looking silly.

    This spells things out for you:

    “Underlying all this was the question of an open internet. Can it continue? Nicky Hager suggested it may continue to remain open, but it has never been secure.” https://blogs.otago.ac.nz/scpconf/

    It has never been secure Robert. “Never” according to Mr Hager.

    How come I knew this and you didn’t if I am as thick as you suggest?

    Someone (can’t remember who) many years ago told me to treat emails like postcards. Good advice then and good advice now.

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  43. TraceyS says:

    Robert Guyton says September 17, 2014 at 9:54 am

    “A question for you, Tracey.
    What’s your view on Key’s comment “rather large butt”, aimed at Kim Dotcom?”

    Answer:
    Appealing to the masses.

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  44. robertguyton says:

    Tracey – this explains your position well:

    “For a large group of people it doesn’t matter what allegations are made against John Key, Judith Collins and the government. No evidence will ever be enough, let’s look at Nixon.

    In an effort at espionage, US president Richard Nixon orchestrated the illegal break-in of the democratic offices at the Watergate Hotel on June 17, 1972. By November 7 of that year, he was re-elected with the largest ever majority. A great number of voters were untroubled by increasingly serious accusations against him.

    Evidence already existed that linked the president to the criminal activity including a $25,000 cheque of Nixon’s team being banked by one of the burglars. Many people simply didn’t believe it could happen, some couldn’t be bothered looking at the evidence, or more concerning simply didn’t care.

    How did Nixon handle matters? Deny, deny, attack, deny, deny. ‘I am not a crook’, he declared in in November 1973, and much of his support base believed him. By August 1974 the evidence against him was overwhelming. Nixon resigned in infamy yet even then opinion polls showed that at least 24 percent of the population – one in four voters – stood by their man. For true believers their leaders cannot do anything bad enough to ever be condemned. The party they support is more important than the democracy within which it exists.”

    http://www.jarrodgilbert.com/blog/right-and-wrong-dont-matter-what-we-can-learn-from-nixon

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  45. robertguyton says:

    Tracey – re. Key’s slight on Dotcom (“rather large butt”), how do you feel about the PM making demeaning negative comments about a person’s body shape? Would you be comfortable with say, the leader of another political party, describing Paula Bennett’s “butt” as “rather large”?

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  47. Mr E says:

    Does anyone else notice?:
    Robert Guyton – Google registered
    robertguyton – no user account
    robertguyton – World press registered

    So many identities, so little of value.

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  48. Idiotic claim of the year.

    “Mr E says:
    September 17, 2014 at 11:23 am”

    https://homepaddock.wordpress.com/2014/09/16/dotbomb-foiled-by-facts/#comment-289494

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  49. Mr E says:

    Robert says:
    “If you want to be listened-to, use your real name.”

    Then Robert cites me.

    FAIL!

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  50. jabba says:

    this is what these clowns have revealed so far:
    NZ has an agency with spies
    NZ is part of a network called 5 Eyes (or something). A very powerful group keeping the bad people a bay. Not stopping them but making it tougher to carry out bad stuff.
    The NZ agency has been around in its present form since about 1977.
    NZ gathers a shit load of information both within our boundries and beyond. Very exciting stuff.
    The Greens hate anything to do with the USA
    The Greens and the bad people hate snoopy spies.
    Under a Labour/Green/Winston1st Govt, the agency will still exist.
    This whole sage is waste of time.

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  51. Tracey, John Key said,:
    “Dotcom is trying to save Dotcom’s butt, and it’s a reasonably large one…”
    http://tvnz.co.nz/vote-2014-news/dotcom-trying-save-his-reasonably-large-butt-john-key-6080850
    How do you feel about the PM making comments like that about a person’s physical shape. How would you feel if, say, the leader of a political party made comments about Paula Bennett, describing her butt as “a reasonably large one”?

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  52. TraceyS says:

    In that comment I would consider that “butt” is used metaphorically. The word could easily be replaced with “skin” and have exactly the same meaning – which is that there is a colossal amount of saving to do.

    Get all upset if you may. But isn’t Kim big enough to fight his own battles? I’m sure that Paula is.

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  53. robertguyton says:

    See the pin-head, see Tracey dance upon it…

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  54. Mr E says:

    Famous words from our name calling elected Regional Council blogger.

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  55. TraceyS says:

    Sharp as a pin he is.

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