Sunday soapbox

Sunday’s soapbox is yours to use as you will – within the bounds of decency and absence of defamation. You’re welcome to look back or forward, discuss issues of the moment, to pontificate, ponder or point us to something of interest, to educate, elucidate or entertain, amuse, bemuse or simply muse.

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24 Responses to Sunday soapbox

  1. RBG says:

    While many National party members will dismiss Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics book because you don’t like the author, you should check out chapter 5 ‘Simon Lusk’s Plan’. It details how Cameron Slater was paid to run a smear campaign to influence candidate selection in the National Party for the seat of Rodney.

  2. Southern says:

    RBG, it is sad that some facts have got out, but keep a level head, your lefty hero’s are every bit as naughty, even old greenpeace have used dirty tactics to get what they believe is the right result. You don’t have to look far to find Helen Clark feeding lies to the media and just watch bOb’s comments to see he is a hate filled man and not the peace sign waving hippy that most greens make out to be. Russel norman and his side kick will do anything to get some power, just like all the rest of the political parties.
    You can bet your boots its not conservative voters going out and smashing all the election hoardings and leaving the green ones up.

    Please, have a wee think about it. You have all day.

  3. TraceyS says:

    RBG – if you have to pick one single factor for people disregarding the book it is not the author but the method that people object to.

  4. TraceyS says:

    On another topic, good on Corin Dann for not letting Phil Twyford (on Q+A just now) away with not putting a figure on what is arguably a “license to take” from people wages.

    Turns out they don’t have that. Do people feel comfortable with this?

  5. RBG says:

    Southern, National party members have all day to think about whether they care that some people in their party have paid Slater to run dirty politics smear campaigns against other National party members standing for selection as candidates.

  6. RBG says:

    Another thought for you, the most extreme action in the election campaign so far has been the firing of gunshots into Hone Harawira’s electorate office.

  7. RBG says:

    TraceyS. Yes the emails that Hager’s book was based on were illegally hacked, that does not diminish the significance of what was in the emails. For a precedent in the issue of how documents were obtained versus the public being served by the information in them being released, I suggest you google the Pentagon Papers.

  8. Southern says,
    “it is sad that some facts have got out”

    Everything you need to know about the ethics of the Right, right there.

  9. Tracey – people are “disregarding the book”?
    Have you seen the latest sales figures?
    Have you seen the length of the waiting lists at the major centre’s public library for “Dirty Politics”
    Are you awake or dreaming?

  10. One rule for all, Ele?
    Being “imprisoned” in moderation means I am disadvantaged in relation to others. Are you happy to be hampering free speech? I thought free speech and equality of opportunity was something National party people held dear…oh, hang on – SLATER, KEY, COLLINS, EDE, LUSK, FARRAR – forgot about those traitors to National’s brand and integrity.

  11. homepaddock says:

    The rule is follow the rules and there will be no moderation.

  12. TraceyS says:

    Free thinking is perhaps more critical than free speech as some don’t use that opportunity particularly wisely. You, Robert, would benefit from doing more of it and then judiciously keeping some of your thoughts to yourself.

  13. I’m voting Green and enjoyed the Green’s Opening Broadcast, but Labour’s was fantastic! National’s, (sorry chums) was woeful – like a Tourist New Zealand loop promotion on some Info Centre screen somewhere.

  14. “A new politician has been dragged into the saga of Donghua Liu’s funding of political parties.

    National’s Coromandel MP Scott Simpson received a $5000 donation from the controversial Chinese-born property developer for his 2011 election campaign, after meeting Liu about 10 times, including a couple of dinner dates.”

  15. What’s happened to Keeping Stock? Has he thrown in the towel?

  16. Andrei says:

    Well Robert none of them came up with anything to match this – it absolutely terrifies me.

  17. Andrei says:

    Delete that please Ele – it is Satanic.

  18. Gravedodger says:

    Not content to bus in people to dictate selection of Socialist candidates using Union bloc votes, votes that are cast with out any reference to the members whose dues and voting rights are employed, to fulfill the wishes of the union leaders, the NZLP has been numero uno in graft since 1915

    That’s not all, now those self same union bloc votes are used to select a party leader who promises the maximum subservience to the union leadership often to the disadvantage of individual union members interests.

    There are numerous tales of dodgy candidate selections and recently very dubious list rankings that seem to a layman to be inexplicable yet all the socalled revelations so far revealed in the totally professional and unbiased witterings of Hagar’s saga are related to National with absolutely nothing, zero, nada on melons, rainbow or winston first yet there are multiple goings on Slater has knowledge of and therefore would likely to have been harvested in the illegal hacking that occurred during or in the vulnerable period following the DDOS attack earlier this year.

    Yet those reveling in this latest and seriously upgrading to weapons grade attack of basic tenets of democracy are accepted as reasonable and honorable, gimme a break first they came for the communists but as I was not a communist I did nothing.

    Guyton and all the useful idiots seem completely at ease with this recent move to subvert democracy by faceless persons.
    Do they know and accept such skilled hackers are never going to turn on another entity should subsequent behavior be deemed worthy of attack or are they acting in glorious ignorance, merely accepting getting John Key makes it acceptable.

    Was it Churchill who said on appeasement; ‘An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last’.

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  20. TraceyS says:

    Robert, I’ll give you that David Cunliffe proved he can look relaxed and easy when choreographed. Such a contrast to what we normally see, and what we would see nearly every day, should he god-forbid become Prime Minister.

  21. homepaddock says:

    Andrei, sorry about delay in deleting video, I’ve been up at campaign opening and only just turned on my computer.

    GD – sorry your comment went to moderation, your comment was caught with Robert’s.

  22. Andrei says:

    I watched those opening statements – National spent a lot of money on theirs, so did Labour, the Greens had less to spend and it showed and then as we moved on the productions got cheaper and cheaper.

    But none of them had any real substance, style yes for the Nats and Labour but real substance?

    This was all (tax payer funded?) professional propaganda. Spin

    Are we so easily manipulated?

    Does Goebbels rule us?

  23. Andrei says:

    What’s happened to Keeping Stock? Has he thrown in the towel?

    You know the answer to that Гуйтон¹ – you are not primarily responsible but you did your bit to add to the damage

    You should be ashamed of yourself but you probably know no shame

    And if that comment was gloating doubly so

    (1) Гуйтон – cyrillic avoids the spam filter so deservedly set up for this particular commenter

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