It’s about values

Why join a political party?

Why support a political party?

Why vote for a political party?

It’s about values – yours, the party whose values best match them and politicians who are guided by them.


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16 Responses to It’s about values

  1. Andrei says:

    Trite – election year empty noise,

    Did she come up with that herself or is that the product of an over paid public relations “consultant” with expertise in producing platitudinous power point slides.

    This country is drowning in vapidity

  2. TraceyS says:

    Read the small print Andrei “Maiden Speech…2005”

  3. RBG says:

    Paula Bennett- who benefited from help to study for a degree when she was a solo mum, but now denies the same help to others.
    What values?
    – kick the ladder away when you have climbed to the top-
    Try again Homepaddock, pick an MP who isn’t known for such selfish behaviour.

  4. Andrei says:

    Indeed RGB that is the case.

    This post is about “values”

  5. Andrei says:

    Ah TRacey so it was her 2005 maiden speech – it doesn’t make it any less trite.

  6. TraceyS says:

    Andrei you would have to read the whole speech to distinguish between what might sound “trite” to some and what actually is trite. Have you?

  7. Andrei says:

    You know Tracey what this country needs is values – “human values” and they are sadly lacking,

    We are living in a cultural sewer.

    All National cares about is dry economics, not people, not lifting people up despite the ra ra claims that they do

    My God – we voted for “gay marriage” and most remain clueless as to why this is so very wrong even if it does buy the yuppie vote in Parnell and Ponsonby.


    Here enjoy modern Western culture at it finest and continue pretend all is well.

  8. Dave Kennedy says:

    “My God – we voted for “gay marriage” and most remain clueless as to why this is so very wrong even if it does buy the yuppie vote in Parnell and Ponsonby.”

    Oh dear, Andrei, you certainly do not share my values, and I’m sure most who comment here.

    For me there are some social responsibility and environmental values that are clearly lacking in National that cause me not to support them. The fact that we have an increase in child poverty (27%) and continuing environmental degradation is a concern for me under this current Government.

  9. Andrei says:

    We will never live in a perfect world Dave Kennedy and social responsibility as well as environmental values are derived from the people and not from the Government imposing them on us.

    It all comes down to recognizing what is valuable and what isn’t, what is worthy of honor and what isn’t.

    I always tell the story of how my eldest wanted a bike for her birthday when she was three.

    So we went to the bike shop and her eyes fastened upon a cheap and tacky thing with ribbons dangling from the handle bars, plastic basket – looked a picture but to an adult trained in engineering obvious junk.

    Another cheaper bike was purchased and it lasted through all of my kids and was passed on to another family, still going strong many years later.

    We go for the junk – all the parties are selling us are policies like that cheap bike vying for our vote. Giving us sound bites that superficially sound wise but have actually no substance.

    How we get our country back I don’t know

  10. TraceyS says:

    I know that bike Andrei, my daughter wanted one like that too. She didn’t get it as we opted for a decent one. But perhaps the thing which has changed in the past 10 or 15 years is that the better bike now costs more, not less, than the flashy and poorly built one. And that is how it should be. So I say all is not lost.

    Sometimes I do buy a cheap and nasty product if the kids have a burning desire for it. You don’t purchase such a product for its utility but rather for the experience it promises – which is often going to be an unpleasant one. But one thing I’ve been fortunate to learn in my life is that good can come of bad.

    The cheap thing soon breaks, the kids are upset, then as they begin to heal from the ego-shattering disappointment they learn an important lesson. Maybe that seems mean, but my kids will be exposed to all sorts of things throughout their hopefully long lives, and they are going to need to be able to sort through it all in order to find truth and value. They have little hope if they are sheltered from all the ‘junk’ that exists in society. These abilities require development, they’re not gifted to us, not in our society anyway. They’re not handed down. Each generation has to develop them anew.

    But if Russian parents are able to pass down their values intact, and shelter their children from certain things, then they should be left alone to do it and not picked on by the rest of the world. I certainly was not aware that school sex education in NZ could cover homosexual sex. After a really short conversation with my husband we concurred that our son will be having an “out of school” educational experience when that day rolls around next year. And woe betide anyone who gives us flak about it.

    Thank you for the awareness.

  11. TraceyS says:

    “Paula Bennett…benefited from help to study for a degree when she was a solo mum, but now denies the same help to others.”

    RBG. The help available now is different. In Paula’s day was there 20 hours free ECE? Was there subsidies for extra hours of care for people on benefits or low income? Was there low or zero fee courses which could be studied online from home or anywhere else? Was there paid parental leave? Was there such thing as an accommodation supplement? Paula would probably be able to answer those questions.

    Times change, but there still remains a great many levels of assistance, possibly amounting to greater than ever before. The ladder has not been kicked way for solo parents to get an education.

  12. Andrei says:

    Tracey do you know the really sad thing about the bike story?

    The good bike was actually made in New Zealand by Morrison industries, it was probably one of the last they ever made.

  13. Andrei says:

    And here is something you might have missed, a few months back

    Do you grasp the significance of this? I’m not against this you understand au contraire, its all good

    But it is also why we are at a crossroads in history and are living in very dangerous times

  14. RBG says:

    How nice that you TraceyS and Andrei are such wonderful parents passing on sound values to your children. When you have finished your mutual admiration session I’ll get back to Paula Bennett who used the Training Incentive Allowance to be paid while studying and then cancelled it in 2009. When people complained, Paula released personal information about them to the media. Apparently Paula’s values are a good fit with the National party.

  15. Andrei says:

    RGB – I kind of agreed with you over Paula Bennett – she made a mistake in her early life, used the system to pick her self up and then changed the system, removed the ladder she had used so others couldn’t.

    On the other hand my daughters did things by the book and worked their way through university without the handouts that Paula Bennett got.

    I’m proud of that.

    My youngest little T who is going through this process even now (she works at K-Mart) and studies full time was round for tea on Sunday night and after tea fell asleep exhausted on the sofa after a long long week of work and study.

    God willing she will graduate three years from now with her degree, a good future and no debt

    And you do have to wonder if the system that Paula Bennett exploited and then dealt to didn’t actually provide perverse incentives.

    I don’t know……..

  16. TraceyS says:

    When you are both young and disadvantaged you take ANY opportunity presented to you. I did. This meant applying for subsidised course fees and asking my employer(s) to pay for some of my education. Some did, some did not. But I would never say that all employers should do this (either for me or anyone) just because some did it for me. Likewise, some governments may offer certain benefits and others may withdraw them. This uncertainty is the price paid for dependency – unfortunately. And you are right, Andrei, there can be perverse outcomes.

    Consider for a minute how perversely discriminating it is to suggest that Paula Bennett’s decisions later in life (as a Minister) should be restricted by her earlier vulnerability and personal choices she made back then in the past while in disadvantaged circumstances. This is not to say that she couldn’t have handled it a bit better.

    I would agree with you both Andrei and RGB that it’s wrong to pull the ladder up after you. But it hasn’t been. The same scheme isn’t operating but nowadays the government will pay someone to look after your kid(s) while you study, work, shop, or drink coffee with your mates. There are also many courses with NO fees. Why on earth would anyone, solo parent or not, need to be paid to study nowadays? That, in my mind, would be completely and utterly ridiculous. You have to have at least some amount of your own internal drive to succeed academically. Not all the incentives should be financial ones.

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