To vote or not to vote

Voting papers for the referendum arrived on Friday.

I haven’t opened the envelope yet and am not sure if I will.

The hijacking of what is supposed to be a citizens’ initiated referendum by politicians makes it just another political stunt.

The $9 million being wasted on this exercise in self-promotion for the opposition is a disgrace – and that’s not counting the other public money they used to get the petition signatures.

The tiny amount it will cost if I do vote won’t be significant.

But even so, is voting adding legitimacy to this farce, even if I vote yes or spoil the paper?

35 Responses to To vote or not to vote

  1. blokeinauckland says:

    I thought about that conundrum, similarly. In the end I decided a YES was more value to me than the satisfaction that either a spoiled paper or non returned vote would provide. Supporting this Politicians Initiated Referendum sticks in my craw. It is colossal and abject waste of money.

  2. Andrei says:

    Yes it sticks in my craw too – but we have to send those cretins in Labour a message so I voted and sent it back

  3. Mr E says:

    As soon as it arrived I tore it open and gave it a dirty big ‘yes’ tick.
    The greens and labour have wasted my time and my tax. I don’t want any more to be wasted.

    Your question Ele, has been promoted by a others too. But many come from the blue side. By denying the vote red green squeals will be louder than usual.

    I voted. As much as it annoys me, and I did it quick. Its a decision I have made before and nothing has change impacting my thought process.

    I view sales as a clever move. The benefits far out weigh the negatives in my opinion.

  4. pdm says:

    Posted the Yes votes of mrs pdm and I an hour ago.

    I want to see Red Russel get a blood nose from this referendum.

  5. Quintin Hogg says:

    Voting yes tonight.

  6. poneke says:

    Already voted. Yes. Anything the Greens oppose must be good.

  7. blokeinauckland says:

    No noes here yet. Troll RG will surface at some stage.

  8. robertguyton says:

    Mr E calls them “sales”.


  9. robertguyton says:

    Keeping Stock is urging his followers to vote yes and no.
    This is a brilliant strategy and will hurt the Left badly.
    Keeping Stock is a brilliant strategist.
    I wish he was on our side.

  10. robertguyton says:

    bolkeinauckland thought it a “connundrum” and wrestled with it.
    I wish he was on our side too.

  11. Mr E says:

    Pleased you like my comments. Feel free to use them. Hell even post them on your own blog, ES notice board or your wall at home. The latter being the most likely to have an impact.

  12. robertguyton says:

    It’s true, Mr E, I do get a lot of visitors through my home but I find the letters section of the Southland Times to be a more effective communication portal. My phone has been ringing all day, following today’s front-page article’ “Council divided on water strategy”. The latest came from a farmer from Te Anau who was furious at the comments made by the councillor from that area – “we are not in the farming business”, when she knows perfectly well, that he is. All of the calls I’ve received have been passionate and congratulatory and all talked about sunlight and its disinfecting qualities.
    And there’s more to come.

  13. TraceyS says:

    As *grateful* as I am to Labour and the Greens for frightening me off buying MRP shares, I will still vote “yes”. The money is in the bank waiting to buying the shares soon. The Opposition talk like the opportunity is over for investors like me, when it is only just beginning for the optimistic.

    Voting “no” is a vote for a pessimism. Not voting at all is a vote for indifference. Indifference is fine, and there will be plenty of it, but I am not indifferent.

  14. blokeinauckland says:

    I did not spell conundrum as you quoted – and I don’t understand your point, but that’s not unusual when you are involved. The mind wrestle was whether any time at all should be wasted on the Green’s colossal publicly funded activism and a subject which was aired completely at the last general election. As both Norman and Goff said during that time “This election will be a referendum on the Gnats asset sales policy”. It was and the Gnats prevailed.

    The Greens have spent millions in taxpayers money on this pathetic crusade. They funded staff to get the petition signatures (many times over it would seem), they now waste $9M on a poll which is on subjects that have passed and their threats around the time of the legitimate privatisation of electricity assets has reduced the taxpayers investment. Some clean economy that is.

  15. jabba says:

    I wasn’t going to waste my time voting but decided to because:
    1/ I was forced to pay for this stupid gWeens’ initiated referendum.
    2/ it will cancel out bObs vote

  16. TraceyS says:

    Bar Robert, it seems that Ele has blocked all the “no” voters from commenting on this post. What a clever plan!

  17. robertguyton says:

    “I wasn’t going to waste my time voting…”

    Another one for Keeping Stock’s Mastermind Club!

  18. TraceyS says:

    Robert, see “Word of the Day”…

  19. robertguyton says:

    Your “mind wrestle” has left you wrung-out, bloke. Pop over to Keeping Stock and build up your mojo. You’ll need to be on top of your game when the referendum results come out.

    “Mind wrestle”.

    He he.

  20. TraceyS says:

    The “yeah/nah” papers will go into the “indifferent” pile, along with those who didn’t care to vote. That number will be high and I totally understand why you don’t like that thought…

    If the turnout is similar to the benchmark set by the recent local body elections then the result is pretty irrelevant.

    As for Pete George’s “[s]o the result of the referendum is irrelevant to the asset sales programme”…we all know that already – it doesn’t matter whether people vote yes, no, yeah/nah, or don’t vote at all.

  21. robertguyton says:

    ” it doesn’t matter whether people vote yes, no, yeah/nah, or don’t vote at all.”

    Then why are the ‘yes’ men and women bothering at all?


    (Because The People are watching…waiting…)

  22. TraceyS says:

    Simply because they want to, Robert.

  23. robertguyton says:

    Keeping Stock wants to have it both ways. Or no way. Or his way.
    It’s very hard to understand exactly what he wants.
    I’ll ask jabba.

  24. Mr E says:

    Sure, use my comments in the paper if you like. I’m an open book.

    I suspect you are only seeing one spectrum of light and it is blinding you. Disinfectant burns and I am guessing your eyes are suffering from it. You seem to ignore every other statment and only accept those that fit your arguement. That’s fine for political means, but establishing well considered opinions might be a problem, I predict.
    Moreover your council is moving towards collaboration. Your farmer bashing seems to be undermining this process before it has begun. I worry about you and your council. I doubt you’ll be able to make the progress you want with such behaviour.

  25. robertguyton says:

    “farmer bashing”
    What a ridiculous statement, Mr E.
    Please provide a quote or link.

  26. TraceyS says:

    I remember seeing a blog post of yours showing a cows rear end and the discussion, well I won’t go into it, but it was more than a little insulting to farmers. If you were supportive of farmers you would not engage in such nonsense.

    Perhaps you could post the link here for all to see?

  27. Quintin Hogg says:

    Voted. Mrs Hogg and self. 2 yes ticks.

  28. Quintin Hogg says:

    more than enough, Robert, more than enough.

  29. Mr E says:

    Wow, the disinfectant has really hurt. Either that or you are in denial. I can’t see any other reason why you would not agree that your behaviour in the media is farmer bashing.
    You consider me as a person who defends the dairy industry. What am I defending I wonder? Attacks? Bashing? No?

    Rather than list off the of evidence, let’s ask Don what he thinks.

  30. Todd says:

    lol… get ready!

  31. blokeinauckland says:

    Not wrung out; just grumpy at having my hard earned taxes wasted on smelly hippies’ who cannot fathom they did not win the last election campaigning to prevent asset sales.

    There is no game to be on top of when the referendum results come out – either way. The assets have by and large been sold and the money allocated to worthy schemes while avoiding new borrowing. Your ilk are wasting other peoples money.

  32. blokeinauckland says:


  33. blokeinauckland says:

    More than enough to cancel you out.

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