What’s unfair about fostering independence?

Green co-leader Metiria Turei has criticised  Social Development Minister Paula Bennett for unfairly targeting women and beneficiaries.

The Minister isn’t unfairly targeting anyone. She knows the difference between a hand-up which helps people become independent and hand-outs which entrench dependence and has developed policies to help those who need it most.

What’s unfair about fostering independence?

Helping people who are able to stand on their own two feet to do so by giving them the skills and incentives to do so is better for them and society.

Fostering a culture of dependence which is what the left loves to do is economic and social sabotage.

27 Responses to What’s unfair about fostering independence?

  1. Andrei says:

    Fostering a culture of dependence which is what the left loves to do is economic and social sabotage

    That is what they are all about – the loath independence and independent people.

    Most of them are too dumb to see what their ideas a really about though – Lenin’s useful idiots

  2. adam2314 says:

    The more independant people are. The harder those parasites will find it to justify their taxpayer funded income…

  3. Paranormal says:

    Isn’t it the welfare minister’s job to target beneficiaries? For good or bad, more or less, dependent on the policy settings and the econmomy?

  4. robertguyton says:

    Good God, Ele. Bennett’s recommending that the State intervene and deny some women the right to have babies!
    Are you alright with that??
    Is National now Statist? Communist??
    How do you explain this development??
    Turei has Bennett in her sights because of this sort of madness.
    Supporting Bennett, are you?

  5. robertguyton says:

    ‘keep’, ‘raise’, rather than ‘have’, but that’ll be next.

  6. robertguyton says:

    All strength to your arm, Metiria!
    Andrei – you talk about ‘ independence and independent people.’
    Should the State decree that some woman may not raise their own children? REmember, these are to be taken from them at birth.

  7. Andrei says:

    Should the State decree that some woman may not raise their own children? REmember, these are to be taken from them at birth.

    It is a concept that fills me with horror Robert – the road to tyranny is disguised with noble intentions

  8. robertguyton says:

    Agreed, Andrei. Bennett should be relieved of her post. She’s dangerous. Parata too.

  9. JC says:

    We know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that some of these babies/children will be murdered by the adults in the family, a great many more will be abused and battered terribly.

    We also know that those who survive their families will then go on to murder and abuse other people in their turn.

    So whats a Govt to do..

    .. a Nanny Govt might take away the children to protect them and the public, and a freedom loving Govt might look on helplessly as it contemplates the murders/abuse that will soon occur and over the coming decades.

    Bummer, eh?


  10. robertguyton says:

    Bummer? No. There are non-Statist actions a Government can take to protect the children of abusers. It’s not a black and white, either or, issue, JC, despite your claims.
    Bennett’s ‘story’ is a distraction anyway. Parata’s the story. What a shemozzle.

  11. JC says:

    “There are non-Statist actions a Government can take to protect the children of abusers.”

    Like what?


  12. Andrei says:

    The people from whom they are taken are the public too JC – who is to protect them.

    And given the way legislation may be used to persecute those who the rulers disapprove watch for the definition of “abuse” creep – apt upon the bottom of a miscreant two year old may see your children seized and handed to a politically correct couple to raise.

    Give it time and infant baptism may be deemed abuse – its not like this hasn’t happened in other places – eg Chile and England

  13. Andrei says:

    My comment went wrong I meant the seizure of children and giving them to the politically correct has happened on both Chile and England

    Baptism happened in the Soviet Union in the thirties.

    Stealing children is EVIL

  14. robertguyton says:

    100% with Andrei.
    Do something different to protect the newborns. Newborns are best with their true mothers.
    I’m saddened that Ele won’t comment on this. Turning a blind-eye because it’s the National Party who are saying it.

  15. homepaddock says:

    Don’t be sad, Robert. I wasn’t ignoring comments, just didn’t have time to respond.

    There are very real dangers in the state coming between parents and children. There are very real dangers for a few children because of parental neglect and abuse if left to their own devices. The child’s right to a safe and loving upbringing should be paramount.

  16. Andrei says:

    Ele dragons lurk here.

    (1) As you know doubt know the values held by the secular elite in this country are not my values in fact are often antithetical to them.

    (2) Under the current law of New Zealand (thank you Sue Bradford) the way I was raised and the way my children were raised would be deemed to be abusive or criminal.

    Given my children are now thriving as adults, far more so than the majority of their contemporaries perhaps by any objective measure would my ways of raising them be good or bad – bad according to current New Zealand law and perhaps bad enough for the State to seize them and have them raised in the image of the secular elite.

    This is not hypothetical – seizing children of those to you disapprove and raising them according to your mores is an ancient technique of oppression and creating a population in your image.

    A modern example from a land with which I believe you have some emotional affinity and have in the recent past visited.

  17. robertguyton says:

    Ele – sitting on the fence like that can cause you grievous bodily harm. You’ve not decried Bennett’s Statist ‘suggestion’. Are you supportive of National moving in the direction that Andrei describes so well? Your lack of condemnation suggests you are willing to entertain it. That’s reprehensible.

  18. homepaddock says:

    Andrei – I know dragons lurk there, that’s why I said there are very real dangers in the state coming between parents and children.

    Have you a better idea for protecting children from abusive parents?

  19. homepaddock says:

    Robert, complex problems don’t have simple answers. If there were very, very strong safeguards the safety of children might justify removing them from their parents in a very few cases.

    Whatbwouldmyou do to protect those at greatest risk from abusive parents?

  20. robertguyton says:

    Bennett’s playing God. Any person who talks like that should be viewed from that moment on as dangerous to society. You don’t seem able to see that threat. Bennett didn’t say,
    ‘If there were very, very strong safeguards the safety of children might justify removing them from their parents in a very few cases.’
    You are covering for her.
    It’s not my role, btw, to provide alternatives to this hideous example of Nanny Statism from a National Party MP. I am willing though, to point to it when it rears its ugly head. Remember how incensed you were about shower-heads and light-bulbs?
    This is about mothers and their babies and you um and ahh!

  21. robertguyton says:

    I see David Farrar, that well known mother, supports Bennett’s proposal.

  22. Andrei says:

    Well given the Government sanctioned and funded murder of 17000+ babies every year in this enlightened land all I can say is who trust these people firmly in the grip of great evil to have anything to do with children.

  23. jabba says:

    “Whatbwouldmyou do to protect those at greatest risk from abusive parents”
    yet again, agent bOb Guyton shots off his mouth but refuses to answer the question asked by Ele
    what would you do bOb?

  24. robertguyton says:

    It’s a non-issue. Bennett has thrown something meaty and bloody to the dogs to distract from the utter stuff-up Parata has engineered, the breakdown of confidence in the National Government across the community of parents, students and education professionals, and the farce she made of the ‘sensible’ Budget. That’s the answer, jibber-jabber. Bennett’s not the story, Parata is.
    Oh, but if you insist, there is already legislation in place to do what’s needed to protect children. Bennett has a rising incidence of such cases under her watch. She needs to forget about the distractions and get on with her job – a job she is failing at. As Parata is failing, spectacularly, at hers. As are you, jibs, failing to counter my comments by your lightweight comments. You do yourself no credit by the shallowness of your ‘challenges’ and you certainly don’t shut me up!

  25. jabba says:

    so reading your lame reply, you are happy with how the Govt deals with parents who bash and murder their kids .. ok, lets continue with the legislation we have in place now as you say it’s working .. umm, ok
    Also the abuse issue Bennett raised is a smoke screen to take the heat off Parata .. ok
    I don’t think anyone can shut you up bOOby, you know everthing .. you should go into KIWIBLOG and join with philu, 2 organic peas in a pod.
    have you conceded that Norman has not ruled out working with the Nats yet .. still waiting waiting for your honest reply.

  26. robertguyton says:

    What’s for dinner at your house, jibby?
    We’re having roast Parata with a side dish of English humble-pie, the Key to a good, satisfying meal.
    Yum, yum.

  27. jabba says:

    kebabs on rice and std veggies mixed with egg (free range of course .. not the best use of farm land but good for the chickens) bOb

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