Is that all there is?

The so called teapot tape has been released on YouTube..

It’s not easy to hear what is being said by John Key and John Banks in their pre-election conversation because of the background noise.

But from what I could hear and understand there is absolutely nothing to cause embarrassment or upset to anyone.

If that is all there is, the Herald on Sunday and TV3 who had the tape and made such a fuss about it really need to look at themselves, their standards and motivation.

They inferred  implied the contents were politically sensitive and potentially embarrassing.

They told us it was in the national interest to release them. If that’s all there is it wasn’t. They are simply boring.

The HOS and even more so TV3 turned a non-event into a potential scandal and then someone from one of those media outlets or Bradley Ambrose, the reporter who, inadvertently or not, recorded the conversation, gave something to Winston Peters which enabled him to do what he does best – manufacture outrage to generate attention.

The only embarrassment is to the media who created an issue out of nothing.

I am not linking to the recording because I am unsure of the legal position but if you can’t find it you’ll save yourself 10 minutes and 46 seconds of boredom.

Whaleoil, Kiwiblog and Keeping Stock also have posts on the recording.

13 Responses to Is that all there is?

  1. johnsonmike says:

    If that is all there is, the Herald on Sunday and TV3 who had the tape and made such a fuss about it really need to look at themselves, their standards and motivation.They inferred the contents were politically sensitive and potentially embarrassing.

    God you have such a short memory. It was Winston Peters who dined out on all that, claiming to have a copy, and each day “releasing” a titbit of what he claimed was on it.

    Key’s utterly over the top calling in the police gave this crap such further oxygen that that fraudster Peters is now back in parliament and only a heartbeat from holding the country to ransom again.

    Nice one John.

  2. homepaddock says:

    “It was Winston Peters who dined out on all that, claiming to have a copy, and each day “releasing” a titbit of what he claimed was on it.”

    I wrote something to that effect three paragraphs after the one you quote.

  3. pdm says:

    HP – I think your first commenter only read what he/she wanted to see.

  4. Andrei says:

    Just only goes to show how banal our politics are – led by the media who are utterly trivial, vapid people.

    And this is why Parliament is populated with deadbeats with zero vision. why this country is going down the toilet,

  5. tip says:

    Both Banks and Key knew what was on it, turned my vote against National and hearing the tape makes me glad I voted for Craig’s party. Where’s the transparency?

    You two important aspects, firstly using stalinesque tactics sending the cops to silence the media and the fact that THEY WERE IN PUBLIC. If you can’t take responsibility for your words don’t say them at all.

    There was nothing to hide, (heard the tape) so it’s about “look how bad arse I am using cops to protect my honour”. A sad moment in our countries democracy.

  6. James G says:

    Just FYI, the HOS did not “infer” anything, since “infer” is roughly equivalent to “deduce”. If anything, the readers of HOS did the inferring, while the paper itself “implied” something…

  7. homepaddock says:

    PDM – you’ve got it.

    Tip – you’re right there was nothing to hide which confirms the complaint to police was not to hide anything for the principle that people should be able to speak in public places without the risk of being recorded.

    James – you’re right and I should have known better 😦

  8. tip says:

    Yet the we have the police surveillance bill, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. If you’re the PM you can hide anything, even if you have nothing to fear from it’s release. Why not just make the tape public?

  9. homepaddock says:

    Would you be prepared to have any or all of your conversations recorded Tip, whether it was with a public figure or not?

  10. tip says:

    Doesn’t matter the law says I can be recorded by the Police any-time, without a warrant. I don’t break the law so I don’t care.

    If Comrade Helen had had a conversation with Peters at a public place and used the Police to seize all copies of the tape I bet your reaction would be different.

  11. homepaddock says:

    Tip – I don’t think police can do that without court approval.

    It’s not about whether anything said is right or wrong but that it is private.

    Nor do I think my reaction would be different regardless of who was invovled.

    With so many people carrying devices which could record it is important to defend the principle that covnersations in public places can be private.

  12. XChequer says:

    The issue here is “an expectation of privacy” and whether that is rightful. Anyone going on about “the conversation is in the public interest” – i.e. the MSM – is talking bollocks as then we would be able to tape anything that anyone said and say that it was in the public interest. I’m sure that the SIS would enjoy that precedent being set and Nicky Hager would be sent into apoplexy!

    “With so many people carrying devices which could record it is important to defend the principle that covnersations in public places can be private.”

    Homepaddock nails it. A line in the sand needs to be drawn as to what constitutes privacy and its bounds in the modern digital world. It’s irrelevant if the test case happens to be politicians.

    Also why has no – one every questioned that the recording was made by an ex-police officer trained in covert surveillance? Or is that too just coincidence?

  13. homepaddock says:

    Xchequer – another question: is it also just coincidence that the YouTube clip went public they day the PM was doing his first speech of the year?

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