Who said poverty not core concern?

Misconception  of the day:

Poverty is not a core concern of National supporters. Colin James

Where on earth did he get that idea?

It certainly wasn’t in the party’s vision which says:

The National Party seeks a safe, prosperous and successful New Zealand that creates opportunities for all New Zealanders to reach their personal goals and dreams.

It is probably fair to say most National supporters aren’t in favour of spending more money on benefits which trap people in dependence. But that doesn’t mean we’re not concerned about poverty and determined to help people get out of it.

We want a healthier, wealthier, better educated and safer country. That won’t be achieved without addressing the causes of poverty and helping people help themselves out of it.



12 Responses to Who said poverty not core concern?

  1. Psycho Milt says:

    He probably is being a bit unfair. After all, how to protect themselves from the poor is certainly a core concern of National voters. For the most part though, he’s right – otherwise the National voters wouldn’t keep voting for a bunch of guys whose aim is to drive wages and conditions down.


  2. Andrei says:

    It’s the old Alinsky thing demonize your opponents – in this case cast them as selfish and uncaring.

    Allow me to rephrase your last sentence

    For the most part though, he’s right – otherwise the National voters wouldn’t keep voting for a bunch of guys whose aim is to drive wages and conditions down employment and opportunity up..


  3. homepaddock says:

    PM – you’ve got the wrong party. It’s the left that drives wages down by imposing costs and taxes and getting in the way of productivity.

    Andrei – your rephrasing is correct.


  4. Cadwallader says:

    The Left divides whatever pie is available, while the so-called Right (hardly National) tries to grow the size of the pie! Nothing new in this.


  5. Nik says:

    Completely wrong Cadwaller. Labour try to reduce the size of the pie.


  6. Psycho Milt says:

    Andrei’s rephrasing is indeed correct – as wages and conditions are driven down, you can employ more people. It’s something that works throughout the Third World, and if you don’t mind large-scale grinding poverty in your country you could call it a success, I suppose. Which is the point – National voters are electing people aiming for that kind of “success.” The Aussies have made acquiring capital equipment cheaper than employing people, and are enjoying a different and more satisfactory kind of success.

    It’s the left that drives wages down by imposing costs and taxes and getting in the way of productivity.

    Productivity has risen regardless of govts. What haven’t risen are wages and working conditions, and your party is legislating to worsen that situation. If poverty is a core concern, stop trying to base the economy on ever-cheaper labour.


  7. Andrei says:

    You are so wrong here Milt

    My big girls, of whom I am so proud began working while at school in menial low paid jobs.

    For example my beautiful I, worked in a night and day store, the boss loved her and she got a glowing reference (he still asks after her when I see him) – then a step up a the lotto store and then as she studied to become a nurse a care giver in the high needs unit of a rest home (a low paid job) but now she is an ED nurse in Australia and don’t owe buckets of money to the Government for a student loan,

    See with minimum wage and school girls being paid the same as adults this wouldn’t happen – the opening opportunity, the foot in the door happened because the boss in the night and day could get her for less than an adult and once she proved her worth she got more and more – including her pick of jobs when she finally graduated as a nurse.


  8. homepaddock says:

    Cadwallader – National’s policies to reduce debt and increase savings, investment and export-led growth are designed to grow the cake.

    Nik – sadly, you’re right.

    PM – The more poor people there are the greater the disproportionate amount of money spent on them and the greater the burden of tax on those who earn more.

    We’re all better off when more of us are healthier, wealthier and better educated.

    Andrei – your daughter will be a better nurse for the experience in those poorer paid jobs and with that independent attitude and work ethic like that she’ll go far.


  9. Cadwallader says:

    Nik and HP, I disagree…the Greens try to reduce the size of the pie by condemning human activity. The Left (outside the Greens) concentrate on getting a piece of the pie while not contributing.


  10. JC says:

    I’m afraid poverty in NZ is boring insomuch as its just a bit under the OECD average, which makes us slightly better than Australia. If, however, you want to look at child poverty.. um.. its the same result, we have less poverty than the OECD average and Aussie has slightly more.

    I don’t know where Colin is getting his figures from because Labour wasn’t in power much after WW2, except for Nordy’s Govt when the country went backwards, the Kirk/Rowling Govt which was too short a time to make much difference, the Lange/Palmer/Moore Govt that certainly didn’t do the poor any favours. Even Helens long run saw poverty slip a little according to the OECD and Ruth Dyson had to agree in 2008 with a CPAG report that showed the poor got poorer than immediately after Ruth Richardson’s Mother of all Budgets.

    When it comes to poverty you could justifiably say NZ is boringly predictable.. apart from the Golden Years 1900-1967 we sit at about the OECD average or 12% of the population. All that changes is we spend a little more of our GDP maintaining this level and are getting slightly poorer as a nation every year.



  11. Psycho Milt says:

    Andrei, now that your daughter is a skilled worker she’s working in Australia, a country that hasn’t spent the last couple of decades forcing down pay and conditions and consequently has a much more expensive labour force than New Zealand. Not ringing any bells?


  12. Andrei says:

    No PM Australia has not spent the last couple of decades coming up with reasons for not digging wealth out of the ground.

    Indeed they had John Howard as their Prime Minister for 11 years and I don’t think he was a creature of the left.

    Of course he did have scandals in his personal life, he was oncephotographed holding his wife’s hand at a funeral which did cause some gossip about inappropriate behavior as I recall


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