Opting out is easy

A few, very polite protesters against voluntary student union membership stood at the entry to the National Party’s conference on Saturday.

“We’re not protesting, we just want you to consider our views,” one told me.

One of the justifications for compulsory membership is that those who really don’t want to belong can opt out.

Mydeaology writes about just how easy that is:

It is easy to opt out. All you need to do is:

That’s easy, isn’t it?

19 Responses to Opting out is easy

  1. That’s easy, isn’t it?

    Course it is – so why does National wants to support ACT’s law change?

  2. homepaddock says:

    The last sentence was suppsoed to be ironic.

    It wasn’t very easy and why should student union membership be compulsory when no other union membership is?

  3. robertguyton says:

    Kiwisaver’s to be made compulsory by John Key.

  4. homepaddock says:

    You’re comparing oranges with aramdillos, armadillos, Robert.

  5. Andrei says:

    Nearly right, Robert Guyton, but it’s proposed and while John Key has made sympathetic noises it hasn’t happened yet.

    But it would be wrong just as compulsory student union membership is wrong.

    Apart from anything else superannuation investments devalue through inflation unless the country undergoes real and tangible growth, which actually means more people engaged in productive enterprise.

    Something we seem unwilling to invest in and for which huge barriers are created to prevent.

  6. fredinthegrass says:

    Waht are aramdillos, Hp.??
    Rg, you are obfuscating again. Have you been sitting down wind of the smoke?
    Compulsory superannuation saving is vastly different to compulsory union membership.
    With super you will be able to have your own albeit approved scheme which we have had for years now.
    Whereas the union does not have an “opt out” and the track record of the unions in recent timed seems to be questionable to say the least.

  7. homepaddock says:

    “Waht are aramdillos,, Hp.??”

    A reminder of the importance of proof reading – unfortunately not related to armadillos, one of which I saw in Argentina.

  8. robertguyton says:

    armadillo?
    farmawillow
    charmawidow
    harmadildo?
    farmerbilbo?
    Andrei – he will. He needs to have us all committed to Kiwisaver for his asset sale plans.
    Fred – sitting downwind of smoke produces asphyxiation, not obfuscation. I suffer neither. Nor fools gladly (no reflection on your good self 🙂

  9. robertguyton says:

    What is it about Key and compulsion?
    Banning seems second-nature to him too.
    They’re calling this a Daddy State, but there’s no difference between what Key’s doing and what Helen Clark did, so Nanny State describes it more accurately.
    Eh Andrei!

  10. Andrei says:

    Well for once I can agree with you Robert – The National party is just another left wing authoritarian crew.

    Not quite as a bad as Labour but you could take at least half the National Caucus and they’d fit just as easily in Labour’s Caucus.

    Sometimes I reckon they just wanted to be pollies and chose the party where they had the best connections to help them advance faster

  11. Andrei says:

    Let’s not forget that the VSM bill the subject of this post was an ACT Bill that saw the light of day through the Ballot.

    National has to support it because their supporters support it but without the ballot it would have never been on the table.

    Hell National is far too busy with important matters like stopping prisoners from smoking to protect prison guards (who mostly smoke themselves) from second hand smoke etc.

  12. homepaddock says:

    Which would you prefer – abandoning vulnerable young people who don’t have the emotional and financial support of their families or helping them acquire skills which will lead to independence?

  13. robertguyton says:

    Andrei – don’t want to push my luck but again, you’re on the money with your smoking in prisons comment. National’s hidden agenda there – lawsuits resulting from second-hand smoking in double-bunked containers and from guards who don’t smoke versus their stated reasons for banning smoking in prison.
    What else do you know 🙂

  14. homepaddock says:

    Is avoding an OSH problem – potential for fires and second hand smoke – too simple an explanation?

  15. Andrei says:

    Is avoding an OSH problem – potential for fires and second hand smoke – too simple an explanation?

    No – its just pandering to urban middle class obsessions and thus gets a good press in the NZ Herald.

    Doesn’t put food in anybody’s mouth, doesn’t help with youth unemployment or stop teenage girls getting pregnant or help with the appalling child abuse statistics. Wont fix recidivism either. Just might reinforce in those who hold society in contempt why it perhaps should be held in contempt.

    Indeed the National Government like Labour before it is totally impotent in dealing with these very real issues and thus resorts to cheap pandering and fixing non existent problems which being no issues in the first place are easily fixed.

  16. robertguyton says:

    Well put and quite right.

  17. homepaddock says:

    It’s not either or, Andrei. You can address some – relatively – minor porblems while also changing form borrow and spend to policies which increase savings, investment and export led growth.

    Yesterday’s announcemnt announcement was just a start – there are more measures to address welfare dependency to come.

    The children in most danger are those in a home where their mother lives with a man who isn’t their father. Helping these women become independent might help them be strong enough to resist the awful men who endnager them and their children.

  18. robertguyton says:

    “Yesterday’s announcemnt was just a start – there are more measures to address welfare dependency to come.”

    Yes. Gordon Campbell describes what’s coming.

    http://gordoncampbell.scoop.co.nz/2011/08/15/gordon-campbell-on-the-plans-to-americanise-welfare/

  19. Andrei says:

    The children in most danger are those in a home where their mother lives with a man who isn’t their father. Helping these women become independent might help them be strong enough to resist the awful men who endnager them and their children.

    Leaving aside the 17000+ children murdered in their mothers womb each year, lest their birth in some way impede their mothers development as a fully formed member of society and achieve her rightful place as a supreme court judge or something and whose end comes at the hands of middle class women predominantly – Yes, sad but true.

    And who pray tell created the policies that lead to this sorry situation?

    Hmmmm

    3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.

    4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

    5 Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the LORD his God:

    6 Which made heaven, and earth, the sea, and all that therein is: which keepeth truth for ever:

    7 Which executeth judgment for the oppressed: which giveth food to the hungry. The LORD looseth the prisoners:

    8 The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous:

    9 The LORD preserveth the strangers; he relieveth the fatherless and widow: but the way of the wicked he turneth upside down. .

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