With friends like these . . .

Hone Harawira is launching the Mana Party today with help from some friends:

It was earlier thought plans to rally together left-wing activists like Sue Bradford and Matt McCarten in to the party had fallen over.

But details emerging this morning suggest Bradford and McCarten could be intimately involved with the party – possibly as candidates. . .

. . .  A list of speakers for Saturday’s Mana Party launch released this morning includes Bradford, McCarten and veteran left-wing activist John Minto.

With friends like these there is no doubt Mana will be a left wing party and it might mean they will contest some general electorate seats not just the Maori ones.

22 Responses to With friends like these . . .

  1. Andrei says:

    Clowns to the left of me,
    Jokers to the right, here I am,
    Stuck in the middle with you.


  2. homepaddock says:

    “Stuck in the middle with you.”

    If you get unstuck and move sideways you’d be welcome in the centre right with me 🙂


  3. Inventory2 says:

    The far left has suddenly become cluttered, and McCarten’s involvement is a play for union support, money and manpower. This will deeply concern Labour.

    Thinking ahead (and with apologies to Ele for recycling), here’s something I posted at ClusterFarrar’s last night:

    I can see it now on election night; Russel Norman whining “Give me back my job”!!

    The dream scenario is this; the Maori Party stands a really strong candidate against Hone in Te Tai Tokerau and wins. The Greens get 4.75% and no seats. Mana Party gets 4.5% and no seats. NZ First gets 3% and no seats. 12% of the vote is wasted, Phil No-Mates leads a depleted Labour caucus (while the knives are sharpened), and NACT gets around 60% of the vote. Oh, and MMP gets the a**e.

    Bring. It. On.

    It really is a nightmare scenarion for the left.


  4. Andrei says:

    Actually I2 the best result would be for National to be able to govern without any coalition support from the mickey mouse parties.

    But I’m with you let’s get rid of MMP.


  5. homepaddock says:

    I2 – the left reckon Brash will hurt National. There is a danger of that but it’s not so great as the danger of the hodge podge you identify hurting Labour.

    Andrei – “the best result would be for National to be able to govern without any coalition support from the mickey mouse parties.

    Then why are you contemplating voting Labour as you said in a comment in the previous post? https://homepaddock.wordpress.com/2011/04/30/new-leader-has-no-mandate-for-demands/#comment-32612

    The best way to keep the mice out is to have a strong National vote.


  6. It’s very hard to imagine them staying united for very long. Putting all those identities in one room will eventually be like several cats in a sack.

    Mind you – Brash, Banks, Roy and who knows who else – it’s not much better for ACT.


  7. Andrei says:

    Then why are you contemplating voting Labour as you said in a comment in the previous post?

    It’s called a protest vote Ele, in truth the only vote of mine that is certain is the vote to ditch MMP but Labour is a possibility, I’ve never voted them yet but there is always a first time.


  8. homepaddock says:

    A protest vote achieves little and may even do the opposite of what you want.

    There’s more to democracy than voting once a year. Find a party with a philosophy which best fits yours and get involved to ensure it delivers policies based on that.


  9. Inventory2 says:

    @ Andrei; I’ve never voted for Labour either. In 1972 I was at Norm Kirk’s campaign launch at the now-demolished Palmerston North Opera House. Kirk thundered from the stage that if elected, Labour would not let politics interfere with sport. Little over six months later he ordered the cancellation of the 1973 Springbok tour to New Zealand. I vowed and declared then that I would never vote Labour, and I have not since first voting in 1975.


  10. Don McKenzie says:

    All this talk of divying up the power between the polys if fine, but for my threepence worth giving the power back to the people via binding referendum as the Swiss enjoy would really sort up some unfinished business and neuter the minor lobbyists.D


  11. homepaddock says:

    Don – that would risk giving even more power to minority interests because most people aren’t sufficientely informed and/or interested and/or engaged with issues to counter them.


  12. JC says:

    Actually, a renewed ACT and a fiery Mana party could do all the electioneering on behalf of all the other parties who can just sit on the sidelines like at a tennis match.. and then we just vote for National on the day and be done with it.



  13. homepaddock says:

    JC – if only it was that easy.


  14. Andrei says:

    Find a party with a philosophy which best fits yours and get involved to ensure it delivers policies based on that.

    National and Labour – aint that much to differentiate them.

    In truth if you are seriously interested in Politics and you live in Clutha then Nationals your tribe, if you live in South Dunedin then it’s Labour.

    You and I both know at least half of the Nats MPs could quite happily live in Labour’s caucus and vice versa.

    I’m not tribal, just cynical I guess


  15. Don McKenzie says:

    Homepadock,I disagree. The average voter (rough definition) take a great deal of interest when they have the opportunity to vote directly on a proposal.
    The collective wisdom of the group has been proved to be well ahead of the policians with a great deal less ‘agenda’ to concern themselves with. The Swiss have been happy to practice binding referendum for some 150 years. I suggest you put some study of the Swiss method and check the results.best.D


  16. homepaddock says:

    No Andrei, where you live doesn’t dictate your philosophy – and much as I dislike MMP it is even less relevant with that than under other systems.

    There is common ground among most parties on where they want to go but there are major differences in how best to get there.

    From National’s website:

    The National Party seeks a safe, prosperous and successful New Zealand that creates opportunities for all New Zealanders to reach their personal goals and dreams.

    We believe this will be achieved by building a society based on the following values:

    • Loyalty to our country, its democratic principles and our Sovereign as Head of State
    • National and personal security
    • Equal citizenship and equal opportunity
    • Individual freedom and choice
    • Personal responsibility
    • Competitive enterprise and rewards for achievement
    • Limited government
    • Strong families and caring communities
    • Sustainable development of our environment

    And What National stands for:
    · A globally competitive economy

    · Regular tax reductions

    · Higher standards in education

    · Tough on crime

    · Effective healthcare, sooner

    · Valuing families

    · Building opportunity for all

    · Encouraging ambition

    The National Party was founded on principles of individual responsibility, private enterprise, and reward for individual effort. These principles are the only sure path to a society of personal freedom and rising standards of living for all.

    We value honesty and fairness, hard work, respect for achievement, and integrity. These virtues underpin successful societies by reconciling the dynamism of free enterprise and the freedom of expression we value in a modern society, with the need for compassion, a sense of fair play, and our need to ensure safe communities for our children to grow up in.

    We need to reinvigorate our society if we are to create the sort of country that will be attractive to our children and grandchildren, a society that will allow them to meet their aspirations here in New Zealand.Contrast that with the belief in redistributive policies which encourage dependence and lack ambition you get from Labour.


  17. homepaddock says:

    Don – referenda are very blunt instruments, you either support or oppose. Few issues are that simple.

    Maybe the Swiss are more engaged than NZers.


  18. Andrei says:

    Yes, Ele, but I hold with all those things too but its just boilerplate.

    Take number one

    Loyalty to our country, its democratic principles and our Sovereign as Head of State

    Now as I recall Jim Bolger, one of our better PMs IMHO was a republican and John Key has said that eventually New Zealand will be a republic but just not yet and I think he said that perhaps the time might come when the current Monarch dies, I seem to recall him saying something like that.


  19. homepaddock says:

    As I recall it Andrei, John said that it would probably happen eventually but it wouldn’t be while he was Prime Minister.


  20. Don McKenzie says:

    HomePaddock, some of NZ’s problems need a blunt instrument as I believe they are so intractable as to be beyond correction from the poly’s.Only a crisis and/or the wisdom of the people to effect real change.D


  21. homepaddock says:

    But with at least some of the policies I presume you refer to they’re likely to put self-interest before wisdom.


  22. Don McKenzie says:

    Roger-r-r .D


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