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Jolyon White, the man behind Green Party activists putting stickers on National billboards, is a social justice worker for the Anglican Church. You’d think he would know something about the morality of the action, if not the legality – Trans-Tasman.
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Morality goes out the window when “social justice” campaigners have to make a point Ele.
He is a Christian.
I2 – they probably think the end justifies the means,
Robert – being Christian doesn’t mean everything you do is right or good.
White’s definitely broken the do unto others as you would have them do unto you rule by his actions.
No, Ele, it just means you are a Christian. A follower of Christ. The same is said of the Waihopai Three. Christians with strong beliefs in justice and willing to get out and do something about what the see as injustices. Admirable Christians, those who act peacefully on their genuinely held beliefs, eh.
There are lots of ways to address injustice without breaking the law and without left wing politics Robert.
Well that’s true, Ele but what was the ruling in the Waihopai case?
(I’m completely flummoxed by your ‘without left wing politics’ statement though, Ele. It seems to have no meaning at all. A senseless statement. Am I wrong?)
Two observations HP, first, few of us are naive enough to be unaware of Tran Tasman’s leaning towards the party of capital and secondly, history will testify to some of the most momentous changes in attitudes and eventually to law revisions by those moved by their sincere beliefs. e.g. the work of Quakers in the fight against slavery and the fight for women’s emancipation by women. All such movements engendered by people’s deeply felt concerns and many of a spiritual nature Christian or otherwise.
Robert; Jesus preached that both God’s law and government had to be followed. He paid a pretty hefty price for his law-breaking.
But it’s always interesting when athiests criticise Christians by quoting theological arguments. As they said in war-time; there’s no athiests in the fox-holes.
Jesus broke the law? Was he crucified on the blogs for his actions, as the Waihopai Three were?
You find it interesting ‘when athiests criticise Christians by quoting theological arguments.’ I’m sure that’s fascinating, Inv2, but I didn’t, did I?
Robert – I said left wing because there’s a belief among some that Christian solutions are left-wing ones. That is not the case, compassionate centre-right policy will do far more for social justice than socialism ever will.
It will, Ele? Can you back up that sweeping claim with some substantive evidence/citations?
Sounds more like ideological clap-trap
The poor are hit hardest by low growth.
Better education and health services require better economic growth. That in turn helps more people to help themselves and others.
Policies espoused by the left will hinder economic growth and therefore limit the ability to help those who need it most.
Ah! So it was ideological clap-trap!
How do you get eocnomic growth without business success, Robert?
How do you pay for services without business economic growth?
Robert Guyton accuses Ele of “ideological clap-trap”; that’s a pot; meet kettle moment if ever there was one. Robert Guyton is blighted by ideology, and by a loathing of the Prime Minister.
Jolyon White has hit the nail on the head with ‘The Rich Deserve More’ slogans, this is more or less the question at every election anywhere anytime.
Does a country share the tax base fairly or do you have a dog eat dog and survival of the fittest mentality? Re the storm he’s caused-the Nats have only got themselves to blame really,
If they didn’t spend so much time talking so little about their real agenda the billboards would not have had anywhere near the impact they did..
The stunt got the National Party where it hurts, right in the conscience..They can laugh off moustaches but not these slogans. The truth must come out in the end.
For all who go on about private property damage ,vandalism etc, I would say it’s hardly terrorism, get real and don’t confuse a victimless , humorous expression of political protest or civil disobedience with a real crime.
Sure it technically flouts the law ,as does all civil disobedience or political protest to a certain extent, but the real crime here was that the Key government was exposed and ridiculed and they had nowhere to hide. Hence their usual overkill response of ‘shoot the messenger’.
Paula Bennett started this tradition early on by illegally making public the names and incomes of solo mums who dared criticise her policies (Q:why does she still have her job?) and Key continues the modus operandi into this campaign . He acts like a mini dictator by slyly suggesting that lawsuits are not being ‘ruled out’ at anybody ( including the press!!!!!!!!!) who dares upset his pleasant little ride into a 2nd term as NZ’s most un-opinionated (read: uninformed and uneducated) PM of all time.
Shame on the Greens for being so scared of being associated with a man of such obvious compassion such as Jolyon White.. Make a non aggression pact with the $55 Million dollar man at your peril Russel Norman.
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The Prime Minister is a Multimillionaire
He don’t need ACC
He wont vote nuclear-free
He don’t like the RMA
He’s had enough of treaty claims
He says he wants to hear your views
Unless you’re Keisha Castle-Hughes
He says you’ve got to help your mates
Sir Peter Jackson needs a tax break
He don’t care for welfare mums
He’s only here to help his own chums
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Cheers Rob
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